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title: Discuss
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permalink: /discuss.html
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redirect_from: /discuss/index.html
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excerpt: "Introduction to my public instant messaging chats"
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I have a public instant messaging chatroom for comments to my
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blog and other things I do. They are connected together by [Matterbridge](https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/#matterbridge).
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As [Code of Conduct, Contributor Covenant applies](https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/2/0/code_of_conduct/).<br>
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I don't see a reason for forking it as this community is forming around me
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and my website while I would have separate community for any actual Open
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Source Software project if I begun any that grew bigger. See also
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[my Matrix page on etiquette](/matrix/index.html#is-there-any-kind-of-matrix-etiquette-i-should-know-about).
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As for languages; English is preferred due to majority of the discussion
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participants speaking it, but Finnish and Esperanto are also fine.<br> I sadly
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don't consider myself capable of holding a discussion in other languages, but
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I do hope to be able to grow this list in the future.
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- IRC@Etro, [`#mikaela.info`](ircs://etro.mikaela.info:6697/#mikaela.info)
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my selfhosted IRC server.
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- [(Recommended) Gamja webchat](https://irc.etro.mikaela.info/#mikaela.info)
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- `MapAddress etro.mikaela.info otzmigofmchtadpek223bkmrzqoa6mmvhmr5dxqurcrtwalizfibuxid.onion`
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- [LiberaChat], [`#mikaela.info`](ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/#mikaela.info)
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- [Gamja webchat](https://web.libera.chat/gamja/#mikaela.info), [KiwiIRC webchat](https://web.libera.chat/#mikaela.info). _Warning: Libera.Chat has no message history_
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- `MapAddress palladium.libera.chat libera75jm6of4wxpxt4aynol3xjmbtxgfyjpu34ss4d7r7q2v5zrpyd.onion`
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- [Matrix], [`#mikaela.info:matrix.org`](matrix:roomid/ruWhXaXgrPjaSSecvb:matrix.org?action=join&via=matrix.org&via=tedomum.net&via=the-apothecary.club),
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a decentralised conversation store.
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- [Convene webchat](https://letsconvene.im/app/#/join/%23mikaela.info:matrix.org)
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- [PirateIRC], [`#mikaela.info`](ircs://irc.pirateirc.net:6697/#mikaela.info)
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- [Gamja webchat](https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
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- `MapAddress irc.pirateirc.net cbmtec5xuhpjwjq245kpp5jk2wij63ydgu5vwbxvdamzibfubc5uzaqd.onion`
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- [Telegram], [invite link](https://t.me/joinchat/OEuthjzmg60xNzA0) a
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popular instant messenger with open source clients.
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- [Twitch], [Ciblia](https://twitch.tv/Ciblia), a propietary game streaming
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platform.
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- Expect my streaming to happen in [mikaela@libremedia.video](https://libremedia.video/accounts/mikaela/)
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(PeerTube) instead.
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- [XMPP], [`mikaela.info@conference.blesmrt.net`](xmpp:mikaela.info@conference.blesmrt.net?join),
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a federated chat protocol.
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[ergochat]: https://ergo.chat/
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[liberachat]: https://libera.chat/
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[nixnet irc]: https://docs.nixnet.services/IRC
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[matrix]: https://matrix.org/
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[pirateirc]: https://pirateirc.net/
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[telegram]: https://telegram.org/
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[twitch]: https://twitch.tv/
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[xmpp]: https://xmpp.org/
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- [A couple of words on protocols](#a-couple-of-words-on-protocols)
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- [And on transports, relays and bridges](#and-on-transports-relays-and-bridges)
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## A couple of words on protocols
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- _IRC_ was invented in 1988 and regardless of developing integrated message
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storage since then, it's still _trivial to setup_ and runs well on _a toaster_.
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_IRC servers_ are generally _[easy to enable Tor support on](https://github.com/ergochat/ergo/blob/master/docs/MANUAL.md#tor)_ and _IRC clients_
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widely come with _[proxy settings](https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tips.html#tor)_ where _[Tor can be enabled](https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#irc_tor_sasl)_. My personal
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_IRC_ history begins in 2010 as user and since then I have also opered
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mostly on _Charybdis+Atheme_ and nowadays on a couple of _Ergos_.
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- _XMPP_ runs on _a bit more powerful toaster_ and the servers talk to each other
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without prior approval, it was originally introduced in 1999. I don't have
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a record on when I begun using it as _all multi-protocol chat apps_ that were
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common even before 2010 supported it. I haven't had a need or desire to _selfhost_.
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- _Telegram_ was introduced in 2013 and is a popular _instant messenger_ with
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many _open source clients (not server)_ also on minority platforms (by third
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parties). It's favoured by many for stickers and ease-to-use, while that
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comes with _concern on security and privacy_.
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- _Matrix_ was introduced in 2014 and I started using it in 2016. Many of the
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_client and server implementations are heavy_, _especially on server side_ requiring what to outside looks
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like _a constant maintenance_ to deal with the _implementation performance issues_,
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_I am not interested in even trying to selfhost a Matrix (home)server and bridges
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until the situation significantly improves_. _[Matrix clients also seldom support connecting through Tor easily](https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/200)_,
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while the _[Synapse server by Matrix.org team doesn't support connecting](https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/5152) through [I2P or Tor](https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/5455) at [all](https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/7088)_.
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## And on transports, relays and bridges
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- One of the marketing points of _XMPP_ was to connect to other protocols by
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means of transports. They plug into a _XMPP server_ and can be provided either
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by yours or be open for other _XMPP servers_.
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- The word _relay_ is often used on _bots which copy messages from one protocol/network
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and paste (or more simply said relay) it to another_. They aren't transparent and thus the
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messages from them appear to be coming from bots beginning with the message
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sender instead of being completely transparent. This is what is _commonly
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used on IRC to connect to other IRC networks or protocols_.
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- _Matterbridge regardless of the name acts like a relay. Like IRC and XMPP_,
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it also _runs on a toaster requiring only [the binary](https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/releases)
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and a [config file](https://gitea.blesmrt.net/mikaela/gist/src/branch/master/irc/matterbridge/matterbridge-example.toml)_
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being trivial to setup anywhere quickly or move around.
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- _[Recent IRC development allows (RELAYMSG)](https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/417)_
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allows relays to be transparent making messages appear from users outside
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of the channel that don't actually exist. This is similar to _Discord webhooks
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(that Matterbridge also supports) and Matrix Discord bridge_.
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- Common complaint from _Matrix_ users is that they look ugly, but as shown
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by _IRC and Discord_, that doesn't have to be the case
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_[and I hope Matrix will fix their issue allowing low-budget "toasterbridges"](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec/issues/840)_.
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- _Bridges are popularised by Matrix_ and _are almost XMPP transports_. However
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while _XMPP transports connect to the other protocol, bridges attempt to
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copy everything on both sides_ so _Matrix users_ see each other directly instead
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of through the _transport_ on the other side and on the other side of _open protocols_
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_Matrix users_ can be interacted with as if they were native to it.
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- Unlike _XMPP_, the _bridges also tend to be heavy and require a full homeserver
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setup._ The _IRC bridge also generally requires blessing from the IRC network_
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and while some public bridges exist, they _move the control away from you_
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hijacking the room to _their rules_ and often have _performance trouble
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compared to "local toaster matterbridge"._
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