111 lines
7.2 KiB
Markdown
111 lines
7.2 KiB
Markdown
---
|
|
title: Discuss
|
|
layout: page
|
|
permalink: /discuss.html
|
|
redirect_from: /discuss/index.html
|
|
excerpt: "Introduction to my public instant messaging chats"
|
|
navigation: true
|
|
---
|
|
|
|
I have a public instant messaging chatroom for comments to my
|
|
blog and other things I do. They are connected together by [Matterbridge](https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/#matterbridge).
|
|
|
|
As [Code of Conduct, Contributor Covenant applies](https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/2/0/code_of_conduct/).<br>
|
|
I don't see a reason for forking it as this community is forming around me
|
|
and my website while I would have separate community for any actual Open
|
|
Source Software project if I begun any that grew bigger.
|
|
|
|
As for languages; English is preferred due to majority of the discussion
|
|
participants speaking it, but Finnish and Esperanto are also fine.<br> I sadly
|
|
don't consider myself capable of holding a discussion in other languages, but
|
|
I do hope to be able to grow this list in the future.
|
|
|
|
* IRC@Etro, [`#mikaela.info`](ircs://etro.mikaela.info:6697/#mikaela.info)
|
|
my selfhosted IRC server.
|
|
* [(Recommended) Gamja webchat](https://irc.etro.mikaela.info/#mikaela.info)
|
|
* `MapAddress etro.mikaela.info otzmigofmchtadpek223bkmrzqoa6mmvhmr5dxqurcrtwalizfibuxid.onion`
|
|
* [LiberaChat], [`#mikaela.info`](ircs://irc.libera.chat:6697/#mikaela.info)
|
|
* [Gamja webchat](https://web.libera.chat/gamja/#mikaela.info), [KiwiIRC webchat](https://web.libera.chat/#mikaela.info). *Warning: Libera.Chat has no message history*
|
|
* `MapAddress palladium.libera.chat libera75jm6of4wxpxt4aynol3xjmbtxgfyjpu34ss4d7r7q2v5zrpyd.onion`
|
|
* [Matrix], [`#mikaela.info:matrix.org`](matrix:roomid/ruWhXaXgrPjaSSecvb:matrix.org?action=join&via=matrix.org&via=tedomum.net&via=the-apothecary.club),
|
|
a decentralised conversation store.
|
|
* [Convene webchat](https://letsconvene.im/app/#/join/%23mikaela.info:matrix.org)
|
|
* [PirateIRC], [`#mikaela.info`](ircs://irc.pirateirc.net:6697/#mikaela.info)
|
|
* [Gamja webchat](https://webchat.pirateirc.net/)
|
|
* `MapAddress irc.pirateirc.net cbmtec5xuhpjwjq245kpp5jk2wij63ydgu5vwbxvdamzibfubc5uzaqd.onion`
|
|
* [Telegram], [invite link](https://t.me/joinchat/OEuthjzmg60xNzA0) a
|
|
popular instant messenger with open source clients.
|
|
* [Twitch], [Ciblia](https://twitch.tv/Ciblia), a propietary game streaming
|
|
platform.
|
|
* Expect my streaming to happen in [mikaela@libremedia.video](https://libremedia.video/accounts/mikaela/)
|
|
(PeerTube) instead.
|
|
* [XMPP], [`mikaela.info@conference.blesmrt.net`](xmpp:mikaela.info@conference.blesmrt.net?join),
|
|
a federated chat protocol.
|
|
|
|
[ErgoChat]:https://ergo.chat/
|
|
[LiberaChat]:https://libera.chat/
|
|
[NixNet IRC]:https://docs.nixnet.services/IRC
|
|
[Matrix]:https://matrix.org/
|
|
[PirateIRC]:https://pirateirc.net/
|
|
[Telegram]:https://telegram.org/
|
|
[Twitch]:https://twitch.tv/
|
|
[XMPP]:https://xmpp.org/
|
|
|
|
* * * * *
|
|
|
|
## A couple of words on protocols
|
|
|
|
* *IRC* was invented in 1988 and regardless of developing integrated message
|
|
storage since then, it's still *trivial to setup* and runs well on *a toaster*.
|
|
*IRC servers* are generally *[easy to enable Tor support on](https://github.com/ergochat/ergo/blob/master/docs/MANUAL.md#tor)* and *IRC clients*
|
|
widely come with *[proxy settings](https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tips.html#tor)* where *[Tor can be enabled](https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#irc_tor_sasl)*. My personal
|
|
*IRC* history begins in 2010 as user and since then I have also opered
|
|
mostly on *Charybdis+Atheme* and nowadays on a couple of *Ergos*.
|
|
* *XMPP* runs on *a bit more powerful toaster* and the servers talk to each other
|
|
without prior approval, it was originally introduced in 1999. I don't have
|
|
a record on when I begun using it as *all multi-protocol chat apps* that were
|
|
common even before 2010 supported it. I haven't had a need or desire to *selfhost*.
|
|
* *Telegram* was introduced in 2013 and is a popular *instant messenger* with
|
|
many *open source clients (not server)* also on minority platforms (by third
|
|
parties). It's favoured by many for stickers and ease-to-use, while that
|
|
comes with *concern on security and privacy*.
|
|
* *Matrix* was introduced in 2014 and I started using it in 2016. Many of the
|
|
*client and server implementations are heavy*, *especially on server side* requiring what to outside looks
|
|
like *a constant maintenance* to deal with the *implementation performance issues*,
|
|
*I am not interested in even trying to selfhost a Matrix (home)server and bridges
|
|
until the situation significantly improves*. *[Matrix clients also seldom support connecting through Tor easily](https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/200)*,
|
|
while the *[Synapse server by Matrix.org team doesn't support connecting](https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/5152) through [I2P or Tor](https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/5455) at [all](https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/7088)*.
|
|
|
|
## And on transports, relays and bridges
|
|
|
|
* One of the marketing points of *XMPP* was to connect to other protocols by
|
|
means of transports. They plug into a *XMPP server* and can be provided either
|
|
by yours or be open for other *XMPP servers*.
|
|
* The word *relay* is often used on *bots which copy messages from one protocol/network
|
|
and paste (or more simply said relay) it to another*. They aren't transparent and thus the
|
|
messages from them appear to be coming from bots beginning with the message
|
|
sender instead of being completely transparent. This is what is *commonly
|
|
used on IRC to connect to other IRC networks or protocols*.
|
|
* *Matterbridge regardless of the name acts like a relay. Like IRC and XMPP*,
|
|
it also *runs on a toaster requiring only [the binary](https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/releases)
|
|
and a [config file](https://gitea.blesmrt.net/mikaela/gist/src/branch/master/irc/matterbridge/matterbridge-example.toml)*
|
|
being trivial to setup anywhere quickly or move around.
|
|
* *[Recent IRC development allows (RELAYMSG)](https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/417)*
|
|
allows relays to be transparent making messages appear from users outside
|
|
of the channel that don't actually exist. This is similar to *Discord webhooks
|
|
(that Matterbridge also supports) and Matrix Discord bridge*.
|
|
* Common complaint from *Matrix* users is that they look ugly, but as shown
|
|
by *IRC and Discord*, that doesn't have to be the case
|
|
*[and I hope Matrix will fix their issue allowing low-budget "toasterbridges"](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec/issues/840)*.
|
|
* *Bridges are popularised by Matrix* and *are almost XMPP transports*. However
|
|
while *XMPP transports connect to the other protocol, bridges attempt to
|
|
copy everything on both sides* so *Matrix users* see each other directly instead
|
|
of through the *transport* on the other side and on the other side of *open protocols*
|
|
*Matrix users* can be interacted with as if they were native to it.
|
|
* Unlike *XMPP*, the *bridges also tend to be heavy and require a full homeserver
|
|
setup.* The *IRC bridge also generally requires blessing from the IRC network*
|
|
and while some public bridges exist, they *move the control away from you*
|
|
hijacking the room to *their rules* and often have *performance trouble
|
|
compared to "local toaster matterbridge".*
|
|
|