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IRC over TLS is not pointless unless you only worry about things that you cannot affect at all. SSL is pointless, because of POODLE.

I use IRC over TLS on all networks that support it (=other than IRCnet) and I also [verify the certificates]. TLS is used

Update on 2015-06-18: I was told that IRCnet does have SSL on ssl.irc.atw-inter.net and ssl.rfc1459.ca, but server links are mostly unencrypted. I am not able to use those though as Finnish channels are mostly stupid and letting people only in from Finnish servers.

  • between my client and bouncer
    • when they both are on localhost it’s not used and my bouncer only listens for plain text connections only on 127.0.0.1 and ::1.
  • between my bouncer and IRCd

These are the points that I can affect. I cannot do anything to server links other than hope that the network operators know what they are doing and use TLS. I cannot affect whether other users use TLS or not or do they check the certificates or blindly accept whatever they are offered.

As I use TLS everywhere where I can affect, I can be more sure that my discussions aren’t so easily read on:

  • open WLAN
  • any router between me and the bouncer
  • any router between bouncer and the IRC server

And like everyone else says, you cannot be sure on the server links or other people on the channels or queries. You can only make sure that you are using TLS.

One example where TLS is very helpful even if you have no idea whether the other people use SSL is passwords:

  • your NickServ password isn’t in plain text between you and the IRC server, but you again cannot know if the IRC server sends it to other IRC server(s) in plain text that are between the server where you are connected to and services server.
  • your /OPER password in case you are IRC operator. Imagine being on open WLAN or similar situation and transmitting your password in plain text and someone else taking that password. What kind of “fun” things they could do with it?

Now you can move into reading why [IRC over SSL is pointless], [web.archive.org]…

[verify the certificates]:{% post_url blog/2015-02-24-znc160-ssl %} [IRC over SSL is pointless]:https://www.quakenet.org/articles/99-trust-is-not-transitive-or-why-irc-over-ssl-is-pointless [web.archive.org]:https://web.archive.org/web/20130425123002/http://www.quakenet.org/articles/99-trust-is-not-transitive-or-why-irc-over-ssl-is-pointless

Addition: who is interested in my traffic?