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matrix: consider the matrix-public-archive behaviour, back off on distruct
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@ -142,20 +142,7 @@ They are related to bringing Matrix to other protocols or vice versa.
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The public/world-readable history visibility option means exactly what it says,
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public even without joining the room. These rooms are accessible to tools
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such as [Matrix Static](https://view.matrix.org/) and its successor [Matrix Public Archive](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-public-archive)
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(aka `@archive:matrix.org`) and thus their history is visible in search engines. If this isn't what you
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want, set history visibility to one of the members only options (since
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selecting this option, since being invited or since join).
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Additionally [Matrix Foundation considers members-only history as public and will show it to anyone through archive.matrix.org](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-public-archive/blob/main/docs/faq.md#why-does-the-archive-user-join-rooms-instead-of-browsing-them-as-a-guest). Thus if you have a semi-public room on Matrix, you should follow these steps:
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- Set your room history visibility to "since user joined the room" or at least
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"since the user was invited".
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- Set the room join rule to `knock` or `invite` -only. If you really need to,
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you may also use `restricted` or `knock_restricted`, but be careful to not
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allow access from public rooms (although this will still protect you from
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matrix-public-archive).
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- Consider enabling end-to-end-encryption while it's generally not adviced for
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public rooms.
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(aka `@archive:matrix.org`) and thus their history is visible in search engines.
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Note that as the option name hints, the history visibility option will not
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apply to previous messages. Thus if you first make room public and then
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@ -173,9 +160,12 @@ and related issues.
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It depends.
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You can try [Matrix Public Archive](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-public-archive/), e.g. for Matrix HQ [archive.matrix.org/r/matrix:matrix.org](https://archive.matrix.org/r/matrix:matrix.org)
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or [matrix-archive.evulid.cc/r/matrix:matrix.org](https://matrix-archive.evulid.cc/r/matrix:matrix.org)
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omitting the leading `#`.
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_If you too consider that undesirable, you can [join us at matrix-org/matrix-public-archive#47 requesting the ability to opt-out](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-public-archive/issues/47) and ban `@archive:matrix.org` from your rooms in hopes that it will be enough._
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\_Until 2023-06-27 [Matrix Foundation considered members-only rooms as public](https://matrix.org/blog/2023/07/what-happened-with-the-archive#a-note-on-shared-history-visibility)
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so some outdated or patched archive instances may still reveal information.
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[Method to opt-out is still not in sight.](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-public-archive/issues/47)
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Alternatively if the room in question has an alias, you can try poking the room directory API e.g. for [#matrix.fi:matrix.org](matrix:r/matrix.fi:matrix.org): [https://matrix-client.matrix.org/\_matrix/client/v3/directory/room/%23matrix.fi%3Amatrix.org](https://matrix-client.matrix.org/_matrix/client/v3/directory/room/%23matrix.fi%3Amatrix.org), you get the room ID and list of homeservers in it and if you see a single user (or otherwise not so popular homeserver), you can make educated guesses on who may be in the room. Note that this particular link requires `matrix.org` to be in the room and aware of the alias.
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@ -602,9 +592,14 @@ Matrix has a place in my heart, just as IRC and XMPP and while none of the three
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get resolved and the fighting between them to end and I am tired of the "stop having fun" or "you are worse person for still using deprecated IRC"
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or "I wish IRC/XMPP just died already as it's so old" or whatever attitude I see amongst certain Matrix user/enthustiastic groups.
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However I admit having increasingly difficult time believing that either _Matrix
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However I admit sometimes having difficult time believing that either _Matrix
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Foundation_ or _New Vector trading as Element_ has their users best interests
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in heart.
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in heart. On my worse days, I especially hardwordedly criticse [media never being removed](https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/1263#issuecomment-1120225193)
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or [fear that Matrix may endanger gender or sexual minorities by leaking room-specific profiles](https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/5677#issuecomment-894831845)
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and especially [lack of self-destructing messages (that is nowadays a discussion rather than an issue)](https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/discussions/682)
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considering even [DeltaChat (also known as an email client](https://delta.chat)
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manages to implement it without control over the underlying protocol and even
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less guarantees!
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