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discuss.markdown: rant on toasters, protocols, bridges, relays, transports and everything
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@ -7,6 +7,8 @@ excerpt: "Introduction to my public instant messaging chats"
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# Discuss
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I have a [PUBLICLY LOGGED](https://view.matrix.org/room/!xFKkXCpcnEwgBEQBFt:matrix.org/) instant messaging chatroom for comments to my
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I have a [PUBLICLY LOGGED](https://view.matrix.org/room/!xFKkXCpcnEwgBEQBFt:matrix.org/) instant messaging chatroom for comments to my
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blog and other things I do. They are connected together by [Matterbridge](https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/#matterbridge).
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blog and other things I do. They are connected together by [Matterbridge](https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/#matterbridge).
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@ -47,3 +49,57 @@ I do hope to be able to grow this list in the future.
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[Telegram]:https://telegram.org/
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[Telegram]:https://telegram.org/
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[Twitch]:https://twitch.tv/
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[Twitch]:https://twitch.tv/
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[XMPP]:https://xmpp.org/
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[XMPP]:https://xmpp.org/
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* * * * *
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## A couple of words on protocols
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* IRC was invented in 1988 and regardless of developing integrated message
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storage since then, it's still trivial to setup and runs well on a toaster. My personal
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IRC history begins in 2010 as user and since then I have also opered
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mostly on Charybdis+Atheme and nowadays on a couple of Ergos.
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* XMPP runs on a bit more powerful toaster and the servers talk to each other
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without prior approval, it was originally introduced in 1999. I don't have
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a record on when I begun using it as all multi-protocol chat apps that were
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common even before 2010 supported it. I haven't had a need or desire to selfhost.
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* Telegram was introduced in 2013 and is a popular instant messenger with
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many open source clients (not server) also on minority platforms (by third
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parties). It's favoured by many for stickers and ease-to-use, while that
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comes with concern on security and privacy.
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* Matrix was introduced in 2014 and I started using it in 2016. Many of the
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client and server implementations are heavy, especially on server side requiring what to outside looks
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like a constant maintenance to deal with the implementation performance issues,
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I am not interested in even trying until the situation significantly improves.
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## And on transports, relays and bridges
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* One of the marketing points of XMPP was to connect to other protocols by
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means of transports. They plug into a XMPP server and can be provided either
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by yours or be open for other XMPP servers.
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* The word relay is often used on bots which copy messages from one protocol/network
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and paste (or more simply said relay) it to another. They aren't transparent and thus the
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messages from them appear to be coming from bots beginning with the message
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sender instead of being completely transparent. This is what is commonly
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used on IRC to connect to other IRC networks or protocols.
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* Matterbridge regardless of the name acts like a relay. Like IRC and XMPP,
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it also runs on a toaster requiring only [the binary](https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/releases)
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and a [config file](https://gitea.blesmrt.net/mikaela/gist/src/branch/master/irc/matterbridge/matterbridge-example.toml)
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being trivial to setup anywhere quickly or move around.
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* [Recent IRC development allows (RELAYMSG)](https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/417)
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allows relays to be transparent making messages appear from users outside
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of the channel that don't actually exist. This is similar to Discord webhooks
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(that Matterbridge also supports) and Matrix Discord bridge.
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* Common complaint from Matrix users is that they look ugly, but as shown
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by IRC and Discord, that doesn't have to be the case
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[and I hope Matrix will fix their issue allowing low-budget "toasterbridges"](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/3222).
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* Bridges are popularised by Matrix and are almost XMPP transports. However
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while XMPP transports connect to the other protocol, bridges attempt to
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copy everything on both sides so Matrix users see each other directly instead
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of through the transport on the other side and on the other side of open protocols
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Matrix users can be interacted with as if they were native to it.
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* Unlike XMPP, the bridges also tend to be heavy and require a full homeserver
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setup. The IRC bridge also generally requires blessing from the IRC network
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and while some public bridges exist, they move the control away from you
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hijacking the room to their rules and often have performance trouble
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compared to "local toaster matterbridge".
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