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title: "`SSID_optout_nomap`"
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category: [english]
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tags: [english, wlan, privacy, anxiety]
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redirect_from:
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- /openwireless.html
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- /openwireless5.html
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- /openwireless_nomap.html
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- /openwireless5_nomap.html
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- /english/2015/11/29/SSID_optout_nomap.html
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robots: noai
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---
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_Anxiety is now focusing to WLAN mapping & key sharing and how easy it is
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to locate people._
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Today I renamed my primary WLAN network (hereafter referred as SSID) to
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`SSID_optout_nomap`.
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- `_optout` when included in WLAN network name should opt your network out
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of Microsoft's [WiFi Sense](https://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/wi-fi-sense-faq).
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- TL;DR: when enabled all your Facebook/Outlook/Skype contacts can
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connect to your encrypted WLAN without knowing the password (which
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they don't get).
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- I would be interested in seeing piracy case where the network
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owner is innocent and threat letter was received about random
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contact downloading illegal content. I am most interested in what
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would happen, would the network owner be able to proof that they
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didn't do it, but instead their network was "hacked" which wasn't
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the case as they were using Windows 10 or Windows Phone.
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- `_nomap` opt out of Google Maps accuracy increaser & Mozilla Location
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Services & WiGLE & others.
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While I think that MAC based opting out would be better than making SSID
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messy, most parties doing the mapping only accept SSID and I hope all
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will take `_nomap` as mark of not wanting to participate.
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I also run `openwireless.org` hotspot and I like the idea, but as the SSID
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for it must be `openwireless.org` I had to leave it. I still belong to the
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movement as I still have open guest network **without captive portal or
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time limit**.
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The network is now called as `openwireless_nomap` and `openwireless5_nomap`
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(dualband router and 5 means 5 GHz). I hope that the type of users doesn't
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change by that change and in case it's abused, it's existence is easier
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to proof than that my private network was hacked.
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I encourage you to read about
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[the Open Wireless Movement](https://openwireless.org/) and join by
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opening a guest network _without captive portal or time limit_ and
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preferably naming it as `openwireless.org`. In case you have similar issues
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like me, `openwireless` or `openwireless_nomap` are also OK, the idea is
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what counts.
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_It's openwireless_nomap and not openwireless_optout_nomap, because there
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is no need to opt out of sharing passwords on open (no password) networks.
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Also the order [\_optout_nomap comes from reddit](https://redd.it/3g3xyu)._
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The other thing that I mentioned in the beginning is how I am worried on
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how easy it is to geolocate people.
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1. Start a discussion which with you somehow receive information on SSIDs
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that people use or if they are part of `openwireless.org`.
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2. Go to their GitHub/Twitter/Facebook/whatever profiles and check where
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they live or just get that information in the discussion too.
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3. Go to [WiGLE.net](https://wigle.net/) and go where your target lives
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and enter their SSID to the right and click filter and you will see dot
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on the map where they live.
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I don't like this and I don't doubt that there are people who would
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cause me (physical) harm (read the rest of this site/blog or then just be
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on common IRC channels and see as I make enemies).
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> WiGLE respects your privacy. To have records of your access point removed from our database, or if you have any questions or suggestions, send an email to: WiGLE-admin[at]WiGLE.net (please include BSSID (MAC) in removal requests). We're also on IRC: at WiGLE.net:6667
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To my opt-out response I received the following message implying that they
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do support `_nomap`/`_optout`:
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> Those networks delisted as requested. We periodically purge the
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> \_optout / \_nomap networks.
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> -bobzilla
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_I hope this blog post at least communicates what I am trying to say even
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if it looks very messy to me and I haven't even took any anxiety medicines
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last night or today so my head should be working a lot better than it
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currently does._
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---
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2019-01-17: I don't know how to start updating this post, but I would
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like to add a few things ~three years later:
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- There is no need for the `_optout` part since 2016, see e.g. [KrebsonSecurity](https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/05/microsoft-disables-wi-fi-sense-on-windows-10/).
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- Christian Haschek's blog showed me that people are actually doing checking
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WLAN locations from WiGLE and it's not only my mental health or anxiety
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more than three years ago.
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- [The curious case of the Raspberry Pi in the network closet](https://blog.haschek.at/2018/the-curious-case-of-the-RasPi-in-our-network.html)
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- I nowadays represent 5 GHz networks as `SSID_fast_nomap`, because fast
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is more obvious to not technical people wondering which one to pick
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compared to the number, but in public places I drop the `_nomap` as SSID
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works as a free advertisement.
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- I think I copied this idea from someone at IRC, but I have forgotten
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whom and it's possible they wouldn't even wish to be attributed.
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title: "Opting out of WiFi positioning (_nomap)"
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permalink: /n/nomap.html
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redirect_from:
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- /english/2015/11/29/SSID_optout_nomap.html
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- /blog/english/2015/11/29/SSID_optout_nomap.html
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- /r/optout.md
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- /r/_optout.md
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- /r/_nomap.md
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- /r/_optout_nomap.md
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robots: noai
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excerpt: Previously a blog post, now a note on _nomap in SSID.
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# `_nomap`
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_{{ page.excerpt }}_
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`_nomap` in the end of your SSID will exclude your network from Google, Apple, WiGLE etc.
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## Why?
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Privacy. WiGLE.net may point your home directly just by entering the SSID and who knows how many similar services there are. While I have been thinking of this since 2015, there is at least one case where this has been used:
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- [Christian Haschek: The curious case of the Raspberry Pi in the network closet](https://blog.haschek.at/2018/the-curious-case-of-the-RasPi-in-our-network.html)
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## `_optout`
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Legacy from 2015-2016. Used to be part of Microsoft WiFi Sense that shared WiFi networks and passwords to all contacts.
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