From 3bc7a881690f736e3015a9145648c2db1872cdc9 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Mikaela Suomalainen Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 09:28:12 +0300 Subject: [PATCH] 2016-05-03-the-three-dramas-of-antergos.md --- ...2016-05-03-the-three-dramas-of-antergos.md | 1275 +++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 1275 insertions(+) create mode 100644 _posts/2016-05-03-the-three-dramas-of-antergos.md diff --git a/_posts/2016-05-03-the-three-dramas-of-antergos.md b/_posts/2016-05-03-the-three-dramas-of-antergos.md new file mode 100644 index 0000000..10d4a50 --- /dev/null +++ b/_posts/2016-05-03-the-three-dramas-of-antergos.md @@ -0,0 +1,1275 @@ +--- +layout: post +comments: true +title: "The three days of dramas with Antergos" +category: [english] +tags: [english, IRC] +--- + +*I am not emotionless robot and I am able to make mistakes like anyone + else. I am not a superhuman.* + +## 2016-05-01 + +One user starts suggesting to ask support from Arch support channels +which is simply not OK and they are just causing harm to Antergos from +Arch side if they do that, no matter how much they edit `lsb_release`. I +get heated (I suffer from depression/anxiety/AvPD by the way) and kicked +them with message `first warning`. That was my mistake and it wasn't took +well and later when the user started commenting them I removed them instead +of kicking. This later caused long argument on operator channel where TL;DR +version is that they cannot understand that I am a human instead of +superhuman or emotionless robot. + +The Antergos-ops part happened when I was at Gaymer's night and made the +mistake of being available. Thanks to the discussion I couldn't enjoy the +games, got suicidal, left the event, considered jumping under car or metro, +but instead asked at PirateIRC/#helsinki if anyone was at the pirate club. + +There were people at the pirate club thanks to demonstration about +*blackmailing letters* (Google Translated word), so I went there instead. + +Outside I met them and just cried and one of them hugged me and comforted +me and finally got out of me what had happened. Logs and then it has been +enough of this day, I guess. + +### Antergos + +
+[00:09:22]  wireless?
+[00:24:48]  mmmmm
+[00:38:46]  works on my laptop and a mini-pc, both eth and 
+wifi
+[00:39:44]  dont know why
+[00:39:52]  :/ also i dont like luks :)
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+[06:09:57]  Wanting to add the Antergos repo to my arch 
+/etc/pacman.conf file... but can't find the keyring... I tried going 
+here: 
+https://forum.antergos.com/topic/1933/is-it-possible-to-add-antergos-repo-to-arch/2 
+and the link that's listed there says "404 not found"
+[06:09:58] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/bugKhO] Is it possible to add 
+Antergos repo to Arch? | Antergos Community Forum
+[06:10:03]  Did the package move?
+[06:11:27]  If it did, where can I find it?
+[06:12:42]  Oh wait... I think I found it...
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+[07:04:59]  yerp... found it... :3
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+[07:34:06]  good evening
+[08:44:10]  mau
+[08:44:27]  I feel bad for everyone whose children have 
+installed Antergos for them https://github.com/Antergos/Cnchi/issues/587
+[08:44:29] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/PE9KdF] Installing Antergos in 
+Brazilian Portuguese with LibreOffice opted-in doesn't work · Issue #587 
+· Antergos/Cnchi · GitHub
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+[12:06:35]  if I wanted to just move from Antergos to Arch 
+completely, would I have to reinstall it or can I really just remove 
+[antergos] from the pacman.conf?
+[12:13:05]  you are already on arch
+[12:13:08]  cedra, 
+[12:13:32]  yeah but like, what's the actual difference
+[12:13:43]  what is the differences ?
+[12:13:49]  except for the packages that it installs
+[12:14:03]  antergos is not manjaro
+[12:14:15]  Never tried manjaro
+[12:14:51]  Manjaro using own repo's and its quite suck to 
+revert to arch... Antergos is stil arch with a repo of there own but 
+most repos are arch
+[12:15:16]  right so it's just the antergos repo?
+[12:15:18]  if arch is up2date antergos also
+[12:15:27]  is just antergos repo with there things
+[12:15:32]  is quite handy also
+[12:15:51]  Neat
+[12:16:13]  nothing to bother to reinstall or remove something 
+dont see a point
+[12:16:15]  ;)
+[12:29:07]   @cedra, reinstall
+[12:29:54]  why's that
+[12:30:19]   because that way there won't be 
+Antergos presets possibly causing issues.
+[12:33:29]  hm. are there any common instances in which that has 
+happened before?
+[12:34:19]  why reinstall :)
+[12:34:30]  Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: 
+Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q6600  @ 2.40GHz (1,60GHz) • Memory: 
+Physical: 3,8 GiB Total (2,7 GiB Free) Swap: 3,7 GiB Total (3,7 GiB 
+Free) • Storage: 148,7 GB / 639,7 GB (491,0 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA 
+Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] @ Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 
+Express DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1h 26m 24s
+[12:34:41]  what the hell is different  then :)
+[12:34:54]  I don't know, but if you ask them support for Arch, 
+they will just hate Angergos users more and the topic forbids that. Also 
+if you just removed the Antergos repo, your system would still identify 
+as Antergos which would also read in the logs. 
+[12:35:06]  ringo32: lsb_release -sa
+[12:35:31]  jugo@konoha ~ % lsb_release -sa
+[12:35:31]  1.4 Arch "Arch Linux" rolling n/a
+[12:35:31]  ringo@konoha ~ % 
+[12:35:33]  But what if you change the kernel
+[12:35:43]  to like, for example, the libre version
+[12:35:59]  
+http://mirror.de.leaseweb.net/antergos/antergos/x86_64/
+[12:36:00] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/iEaWNC] 
+mirror.fra10.de.leaseweb.net | powered by LeaseWeb
+[12:36:08]  Look what's inside the antergos repo
+[12:36:16]  Everything else is arch
+[12:36:29]  but reinstall wont help
+[12:36:31]  ringo32: Antergos identifies as Antergos unless you 
+have old install, I think
+[12:36:35]  dont fix if aint broken
+[12:36:43]  ironic :p
+[12:36:58]  I really just have the antergos-welcome package
+[12:37:00]  or something has updated and changed it
+[12:37:01]  lsb_release is just a easy edit
+[12:37:15]  My kernel identifies as 4.5.1-1 ARCH
+[12:37:19]  switch it off
+[12:37:20]  ringo32: oh, that means you just chaged it, but are 
+still running Antergos
+[12:37:32]  Jeannie: which is just because it comes from Arch 
+directly
+[12:37:35]  antergos is stil arch
+[12:37:51]  even antergos is an arch member ?
+[12:37:57]  unlike manjaro is not
+[12:38:07]  Yes, and when I look at the antergos repo, I don't 
+see tehnecessity for a reinstall if someone wants pure arch
+[12:38:33] *** ringo32 was kicked by Mikaela (first warning)
+[12:38:53] *** Joins: ringo32 (~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32)
+[12:39:02]  What is ...
+[12:39:10]  kicked me for ..? fun ?
+[12:39:20]  Would it break something if I removed the 
+antergos-keyring
+[12:39:36]  ringo32: Antergos is not Arch. 
+[12:39:46]  Antergos is arch
+[12:39:48]  you dont have to kick me, 
+[12:39:57]  With a graphical installer and an additional repo
+[12:40:17]  Mikaela,  who makes the cinnamon packages ?
+[12:40:25]  ringo32: how do I make the point across? 
+[12:41:05]  what the mather... antergos does atleast support 
+arch better
+[12:41:19]  Is Linux Mint Ubuntu? 
+[12:41:55]  i think you set the balance rough
+[12:42:10]  ringo32: Is Linux Mint Ubuntu? 
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+[12:42:23]  Look at /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, and tell me which 
+servers that list points to
+[12:42:42]  Jeannie: Is Linux Mint Ubuntu? 
+[12:42:45]  Mikaela,  look at the packager http://ix.io/yQB
+[12:42:45] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/JPKaqO] (not a web page, 
+content type: text/plain)
+[12:42:53]  I don't care about *buntus
+[12:42:58]  Antergos support arch atleast
+[12:43:04]  where mint does not support ubuntu
+[12:43:13]  And when I look at my mirrorlist, I see that it  
+points to archinux mirrors
+[12:43:26]  Manjaro does not support arch
+[12:43:35]  there is the differences
+[12:43:36]  ringo32: last time I checked, Linux Mint used 
+Ubuntu repositories
+[12:43:52]  When I run uname -r, I see I run an arch kernel
+[12:44:20]  So If I use archlinux package mirrors nad an 
+archlinuix kernel, which OS am I running?
+[12:44:45]  2016-05-01 12:42:45+0300 < ringo32> Mikaela,  look 
+at the packager http://ix.io/yQB ==> so? MATE packager is the maintainer 
+of Ubuntu MATE last time I checked.
+[12:44:45] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/JPKaqO] (not a web page, 
+content type: text/plain)
+[12:45:32]  Nevermind
+[12:45:49]  MATE 1.14
+[12:45:51]  you dont see my point 
+[12:46:27]  I whish Wimpress would get his ass in motion and 
+update the arch packages intead of messing around with ubuntu mate 16.04
+[12:46:51]  its arch-based sure
+[12:47:06]  but also i dont see a point to move out to arch 
+also
+[12:47:28]  you are also direct on the arch repo's
+[12:47:35]  So the fact that the Arch MATE maintainer maintains 
+Ubuntu MATE too proves that antergos is not arch?
+[12:48:03]  at the end if arch breaks antergos breaks as well
+[12:48:36]  I give up. Don't come crying to me on Arch 
+communities hating you for not using Arch.
+[12:48:53]  ringo32: most of times when Antergos breaks nothing 
+happens at Arch
+[12:49:21]  Which ARCH branch are you referring to with these 
+breakages?
+[12:49:29]  stable
+[12:49:36]  So
+[12:50:02]  If I use arch mirror servers  in my antergos, arch 
+stable breaks and antergos doees not
+[12:50:15]  ?
+[12:50:47]  If you use Antegos and Antergos breaks, in most of 
+cases it has been something from Antergos repo breaking. Nothing happens 
+at Arch as it doesn't use Antergos repository as it's not Antergos.
+[12:50:47]  Mikaela,  just say your are on arch Wtf is so 
+dificult
+[12:51:23]  what breaks is webkitgreeter
+[12:51:31]  thats the antergos story
+[12:51:45]  or the extentions mayby further ?
+[12:51:54]  ringo32: Yes, I can say that as I am vanilla Arch 
+user and am here just of kindness. Nothing forces me to be be here or 
+help Antergos at all. However if you have installed using Antergos iso, 
+you are Antergos user, not vanilla Arch.
+[12:52:04]  thinks kernel related is not really antergos
+[12:52:18]  O
+[12:52:20]  i know your point
+[12:52:32]  its not vanila arch....
+[12:52:51]  so if I were to remove the antergos-keyring, it would 
+just break installing stuff from the antergos repo
+[12:52:51]  everything can breaks and such things, is also 
+personal on users
+[12:53:15]  If you use a third party repo, aur packages or a 
+local repo, it's no vanilal arch either
+[12:53:24]  Does thsi make the system not arch anymore?
+[12:53:53]  Mikaela,  on manjaro i uses 'unstable' repo and 
+users from stable broke his system by update its also personal what you 
+using
+[12:54:30]  sort of breakages or issues can be personal also
+[12:54:41]  I said that I don't care, just go to #archlinux
+[12:54:47]  but i dont see a point to remove everything to have 
+arch =-)
+[12:55:03]  i see addiditional repo's as a surplus
+[12:55:19]  i got a few atleast
+[12:55:37]  What was that about some presets or something, 
+someone mentioned that they can conflict with stuff
+[12:55:39]  but its rude to kick without explain
+[12:56:19]  ringo32: I did explain that Antergos is not Arch, 
+but you aren't willing to understand that so I just suggest you go to 
+#ArchLinux and make them hate you.
+[12:56:27]  but kicking is rude
+[12:56:35]  did i use rude words?
+[12:57:08]  is not you have to kick on personal opinion... vs 
+other personal 
+[12:57:11] *** Parts: ringo32 (~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32) 
+(requested by Mikaela (Sorry, I didn't understand you wanted removing 
+instead of kick. Next time I can also give you kban and then akick, if 
+that is what you really wish. However I would just suggest you to drop 
+the subject.))
+[12:58:02] * Jeannie shakes her head in disbelief
+[13:04:53]  Is the registration for the Antergos forum broken?
+[13:05:14]  not that I know of unless you use PrivacyBadger 
+which is blocking auth0.com
+[13:05:58]  I have been clicking on pictures with cookies, road 
+signs or house numbers for 6 minutes now
+[13:06:04]  Infinite loopback
+[13:06:26]  @karasu0, @lots0logs: are you aware of any forum 
+issues?
+[13:09:28]  Registration/login is not working
+[13:09:32]  at all
+[13:09:55]  what if you try another browser with default 
+setings or incognito mode?
+[13:10:21]  logging in works for me
+[13:10:22]  Not at all
+[13:10:37]  neither with Firefox nor with Pale Moon nor with 
+Chromium
+[13:11:09]  any adblockers or similar?
+[13:11:12]  Even password recovery mails don't arrive
+[13:12:35]  Yay, password recovery now results in an http 500 
+error
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+[13:33:34]   internet still broken...
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+[13:34:56]   I've had to relocate to my 
+chromebook for nearly everthing
+[13:35:04]   think it's a hardware issue
+[13:38:48]  what's this Teleuforia thing
+[13:39:35]   __telegram
+[13:39:36]  
+https://forum.antergos.com/topic/4244/irc-has-branched-out-to-telegram
+[13:39:37] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/5P67ZX] IRC has branched out 
+to Telegram! | Antergos Community Forum
+[13:40:42]  Oh so it's for phones
+[13:41:00]   having my Chromebook constantly 
+open on my desk is a pain
+[13:41:38]   @cedra, any platform, 
+https://telegram.org/download and you will find telegram-desktop-bin if 
+you check the AUR
+[13:41:38] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/6EGXaL] Telegram Messenger on 
+the App Store
+[13:42:01]   and people who like emoji I
+[13:42:04]   difference to IRC is that you see all 
+lines that happen even if you are offline
+[13:42:24]  so a ZNC
+[13:42:54]   * needs to debug his wireless 
+problems *
+[13:43:00]   * or fix his wired connection *
+[13:43:03]   no, more line WhatsApp for bigger 
+groups, entirely different protocom
+[13:43:04]   __(wiki Telegram (Software))
+[13:43:06]  Not found, or page malformed.
+[13:43:14]  okay
+[13:43:21]  Neat
+[13:43:21]   __luck Telegram
+[13:43:21]  luck 
+[13:43:38]   __(luck Telegram)
+[13:43:39]  https://telegram.org/ | Telegram logo. a new era 
+... Telegram messages are heavily encrypted and can self-destruct. ... 
+Telegram delivers messages faster than any other application.
+[13:43:39] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/JLhh36] Telegram Messenger
+[13:44:02]   bad explanation
+[13:44:23]   yay
+[13:44:36]   My stupid mini wifi dongle plan 
+worked
+[13:44:41]   I got internet
+[13:44:47]   kinda
+[13:45:37]   * goes to plug his raspberry pi 
+into his router *
+[13:45:48]   * hopes that ssh is on by 
+default *
+[13:47:37]   now where has that power supply 
+gone?
+[13:55:34]   yay my wired is back?
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+[14:16:17]   yay
+[14:16:25]   my wireless is back and my pi 
+is running
+[14:16:33]   wired, not wireless
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+[15:52:48] *** Joins: Zeld0c 
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+[15:54:08]  Internet doesn't work, browsers say "dns probe no 
+internet". Tried resetting with ifconfig, but didn't fix anything
+[15:58:30]  just reinstalled a Dell optiplex thingy (don't 
+worry, got it for free) and got the same problem. networkmanager won't 
+start. no problem on my 4 other machines with Antergos though
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+[16:14:21]   systemctl status NetworkManager
+[16:16:51]  eh
+[16:16:59]  not installed :P
+[16:17:23]  only the addons
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+[16:20:48]   that explains why it doesn't start :P
+[16:23:40]  yeah but it worries me why the other packages got 
+installed though (like networkmanager-openvpn)
+[16:34:07]  missing jansson, libndp, libnewt, libpgm, 
+libsodium, libteam, slang and zeromq before I can install it manually
+[16:40:31]  working now, installing the packages manually
+[16:55:00]   Hello
+[16:55:45]  hello
+[16:56:17] *** Quits: s8321414 (~s8321414@140.127.73.61) (Quit: 
+Konversation terminated!)
+[17:00:05]  Can't wait for my Moto 360 to come in tomorrow
+[17:00:49]   (Sticker, 512x344) 
+https://teleuforia.mikaela.info/Cr0wb0GR/file_259.webp
+[17:00:49] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/EKTyCT] (not a web page, 
+content type: image/webp)
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+[17:01:12]   Heh
+[17:01:24]  hi
+[17:01:29]  trying out Antergos KDE in VirtualBox :)
+[17:01:41]  found how to make it boot, using iomem=relaxed in 
+kernel command line
+[17:02:01]   Hi
+[17:02:45]   Yes, vbox is buggy
+[17:02:54]  I plan to install Antergos on bare metal later
+[17:03:00]  but need Windows somewhere (virtual machine maybe)
+[17:03:16]  for running Adobe CC, what would you recommend? 
+using VirtualBox Windows guest or KVM/QEMU?
+[17:03:19]  which one would be faster
+[17:03:28]   KVM
+[17:03:47]   VBox maybe has faster graphics 
+performance
+[17:04:02]   KVM excels in nearly everything else
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+[17:04:28]  yeah I've seen Phoronix benchmarks
+[17:04:59]  however there's a small concern, I'll occasionally 
+use Premiere/After Effects
+[17:05:04]  is that even usable at low resolutions in a VM?
+[17:05:09]  nothing very intense
+[17:05:21]   It'll be usable
+[17:05:28]   Maybe a tad slow
+[17:05:32]  I have an i7
+[17:05:36]   Why not dual boot
+[17:05:37]  both desktop and laptop :)
+[17:05:46]   Nice
+[17:05:49]  maybe but dual booting is hard with UEFI and such
+[17:05:55]  I tried once, failed, I could boot only Fedora
+[17:06:07]  Windows was still physically present on the device 
+though
+[17:06:08]   Not really
+[17:06:21]  I guess Antergos supports UEFI dual boot?
+[17:06:53]   Resize Windows partition, mount ESP 
+in the right spot and create a partition for antergos
+[17:07:15]  I'll probably dual boot only on laptop, since it's 
+my main machine for uni
+[17:08:49]   :)
+[17:09:45]  also how recent are Antergos packages compared to 
+Arch? and what about stability? is it as stable?
+[17:10:04]  (never used Arch btw)
+[17:10:10]  but I'm a seasoned GNU/Linux user
+[17:10:14]   Antergos packages are as recent as 
+Arch's
+[17:10:37]   And it's as stable as you want it to
+[17:11:15]  is upgrading packages weekly safe?
+[17:11:22]  say, I upgrade on weekends so that I can fix stuff 
+up if it breaks
+[17:11:31]   Yes
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+[17:11:37]  ok :)
+[17:11:50]   Just read the Arch Linux front-page
+[17:11:59]  installation in VM is almost complete, I will see 
+how KDE looks now :p
+[17:12:06]   :)
+[17:12:11]  (I almost never used KDE too, but would like to get 
+into it)
+[17:12:17]  been an Xfce user for 3.5 years
+[17:12:28]   Everyone's KDE is unique
+[17:12:34]   So many options
+[17:12:36]  are there good themes for it?
+[17:12:41]  especially dark ones (partially or fully)
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+[17:12:53]   Papirus is nice
+[17:13:13]   It has a dark variant
+[17:14:23]  hmm, looking at Papirus, but I don't see dark 
+variants for KDE in screenshots
+[17:14:36]  I see a GTK theme for it though
+[17:14:49]  this? 
+https://github.com/varlesh/papirus-suite/tree/master/kde-pack/plasma-themes
+[17:14:50] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/6u94Wh] 
+papirus-suite/kde-pack/plasma-themes at master · varlesh/papirus-suite · 
+GitHub
+[17:15:21]   Yes, that
+[17:17:24]  gah, I seem to have encountered a bug in VirtualBox 
+after installing
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+[17:17:37]  I've set iomem=relaxed in boot options, it boots, 
+but my mouse cursor isn't visible and I only see KDE's background
+[17:17:53]  nevermind, it works now
+[17:17:57]  it was just a bit slow to set up
+[17:17:59]   Welcome to the buggy world of vbox
+[17:18:04]  good morning
+[17:18:11]   Hey
+[17:18:29]  KDE 5 is quite pretty
+[17:18:37]  compared to say... Debian/Fedora Xfce :D
+[17:18:40]  those are so ugly
+[17:18:43]  especially Fedora
+[17:19:38]   XFCE is okay IMO
+[17:19:49]  only Xubuntu really looks decent out of the box
+[17:20:01]  I'm on Windows 10 due to my mic audio 
+recording lowering during recordings on Linux.
+[17:20:47]   Xubuntu looks nice
+[17:20:49]  ok, going to install Antergos on desktop maybe :)
+[17:27:14]  Antergos can be installed in UEFI+GPT mode, right?
+[17:27:28]  do I need to pre-partition my drive using gparted 
+if I want GPT partitions?
+[17:29:49]  you don't need to as it should fix it itself
+[17:30:11]  you can edit partitions from the installer anyway 
+though
+[17:30:18]  I'm writing the ISO to an USB stick in GPT/UEFI 
+mode
+[17:35:37]   * Wonders what to do with his 
+raspberry pi now It's configured *
+[17:37:08]  Antergos doesn't come with lsb-release 
+installed. Means Steam won't see that you're using Antergos and just put 
+you down as generic Linux if you get the Steam Survey.
+[17:37:37]   @kerbingamer376, Pi-hole, media 
+Center
+[17:38:09]   It's running minibian, and is 
+plugged into my router
+[17:38:24]   It'd be good as a server for 
+something
+[17:38:28]   but what thing?
+[17:46:05]  hi FutureSuture :P
+[17:46:36]  kerbingamer376: my brother has a Raspberry Pi 1, he 
+bought it just before the Raspberry Pi 2 release :p
+[17:46:49]   same
+[17:47:18]   and then I got a HAT display 
+and found it didn't fit...
+[17:47:37]   so I got a pi 2, and my pi 1 is 
+going to be a server for a yet unknown thing
+[17:47:53]   that's not minecraft, although 
+everyone seems to do that
+[17:48:00]  open source game servers?
+[17:48:04]  Minetest would be too heavy probably
+[17:48:10]   Wesnoth?
+[17:48:13]  Sauerbraten/Red Eclipse/Tesseract should go just 
+fine
+[17:48:17]  they use near zero CPU
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+[17:48:21]   that has an official server 
+though
+[17:48:39]   I was thinking about putting a 
+pokedex database on it
+[17:49:08]  if you have significant bandwidth, mirror some 
+software, or seed torrents of open source software :p
+[17:49:12]  I don't :(
+[17:49:15]   and then writing a scope to 
+view info from it
+[17:49:15]  only 100 KB/s up
+[17:49:22]   ouch
+[17:49:28]   mine's 1mb/s
+[17:49:38]   but limited to 10GB a month
+[17:49:49]   a scope for ubuntu phone
+[17:49:56]   which I don't have yet
+[17:49:57]  mine is unlimited
+[17:50:04]  can download at 1.2 MB/s, quite ok
+[17:50:08]  but upload is only 100 KB/s
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+[17:53:09]   150Mbit/15 hwre
+[17:53:29]   Translates to roughly 18MBps/2MBps
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+[17:54:11]   @Yoshi2889, Isn't that the same as 
+6MBps?
+[17:54:25]  in France you can get 925 Mb/s down, 240 Mb/s up 
+for €43/month
+[17:54:27]  unmetered
+[17:54:35]   I'm in the UK
+[17:54:44]   @xikuuky, Where are you getting that 
+from?
+[17:54:45]   and I had what I have, but 
+unlimited
+[17:54:48]   NL here
+[17:54:54]   but the connection was terrible
+[17:55:47]   @Yoshi2889, Yeah you're right. I can't 
+do math today sorry ( ≧Д≦)
+[17:56:05]   Lol
+[17:56:34]   Are group links allowed here?
+[17:56:41]   I guess
+[17:57:08]   Cool
+[17:57:40]  how fast is KDE 5 by the way?
+[17:57:45]  does it feel smooth on i7s? :P
+[17:57:48]   Not very
+[17:57:53]   Yes it will
+[17:57:58]  ok, that's what matters
+[17:58:01]  I use Atom anyway
+[17:58:08]  which isn't speed champion, but it is fast enough 
+for what I do
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+[18:04:36]   @xikuuky, depends
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+[18:17:24]   * needs something to use his pi 
+as a server for *
+[18:23:42]   * googles for "open source 
+multiplayer games" *
+[18:23:53]   * dosn't really like shooters *
+[18:23:55]   minetest, ottd
+[18:24:14]   ottd is cool
+[18:24:23]   I don't know how multiplayer 
+works
+[18:25:20]   how would mutiplayer work on 
+ttd?
+[18:26:42]   looks cool
+[18:26:53]   * looks for a raspberry pi 
+build of the server *
+[18:29:25]   * can't remember how to play *
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+[18:44:09]  guys, what's Telegram like? So far i've only been 
+using WhatsApp.. none of my friends are on Telegram
+[18:44:31]   I use it so much, I've never 
+touched watsapp
+[18:45:22]   @Aria22, It feels similar but it has 
+stickers and more media types, channels, and large groups. It is also 
+faster and more secure
+[18:46:15]  How did you get your friends on Telegram?
+[18:46:25]   I just asked them
+[18:46:36]   they just said, "yeah sure"
+[18:46:40]   @Aria22, They didn't, I made a ton of 
+friends here
+[18:46:46]   Same
+[18:52:38]  hi, I installed Antergos on my PC in UEFI+GPT with 
+manual partitioning
+[18:52:45]  now it's stuck in a boot loop whenever the SSD is 
+plugged
+[18:52:55]  the PC tries to access UEFI, then reboots, 
+indefinitely
+[18:53:01]  even if I press the key to go to UEFI
+[18:53:13]  tried switching UEFIs around (I have two on my 
+motherboard)
+[18:53:36]  Aria22: here my friends use Telegram, thankfully
+[18:53:41]  WhatsApp and Skype are evil :)
+[18:54:17]   @Calinou, Agreed
+[18:54:23]  Calinou: I agree with you on that...
+[18:54:25]  So is Facebook
+[18:54:29]  anyway I have a pretty bad problem :(
+[18:54:33]  not sure if I bricked the motherboard
+[18:54:40]  I did make an UEFI partition properly, the 
+partition manager told me all was OK
+[18:54:53]  thing is, if I unplug SSD, I can eventually get to 
+boot, with "no media found" message
+[18:55:06]  but then how do I reinstall Antergos on SSD (say, 
+in BIOS mode)?
+[18:55:11]  since I don't think I can hotplug it
+[18:55:32]  motherboard is a MSI Z77 MPower by the way
+[18:55:35]  That goes far beyond what I know.. *waits for 
+someone else to answer*
+[18:55:46]  at least I have my laptop for now, so I'm not left 
+PC-less
+[18:55:52]   * has never used ufei in his 
+life *
+[18:56:05]   uefi I mean
+[18:56:29]   allways used bios mode
+[18:57:24]  I was able to boot in UEFI mode with Debian and 
+Fedora
+[18:57:45]  my hardware is not very recent, the CPU is an 
+i7-2600K, it's not like it's too recent
+[19:02:43]  guess I'll ask on forums as well
+[19:06:25]  Calinou: Maybe the SSD is broken, not the 
+motherboard?
+[19:06:42]  Aria22: I would be very surprised... I installed 
+Antergos on it just fine, without any errors in the process
+[19:07:31]  I will try unplugging it, installing Antergos on 
+HDD, and see if it boots
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+[19:12:28]  I'm now installing it on my secondary HDD, to see 
+if it's a SSD problem
+[19:22:53]  done, asked on forums
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+[20:56:22]  Can someone here answer questions about this guide: 
+https://antergos.com/wiki/hardware/graphics/bumblebee-for-nvidia-optimus/ 
+??
+[20:56:23] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/96N5eB] Bumblebee for NVIDIA 
+Optimus | Antergos Wiki
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+[21:26:56]  hey, I successfully installed Antergos :D
+[21:29:55]  nice :)
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+[21:32:34]  loving it so far
+[21:32:45]  everything works out of the box, NVIDIA driver 
+preinstalled, can install software from AUR...
+[21:32:53]  KDE renders fonts as well as a Mac too, when set 
+right
+[21:41:17]  wow, Node.js 6.0.0 is already in repositories, 
+that's quite fast
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+[22:04:30]  !pkg nodejs
+[22:04:31]  nodejs - Evented I/O for V8 javascript -- 
+version 6.0.0-1 - 
+https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/nodejs
+[22:04:35]  yup, that's fast
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+[22:18:38]  I want to edit Steam so that it would start with 
+optirun (Bumblebee) automatically when I click on the icon (GNOME 3 
+dock). I tried finding the .desktop, but there isn't one. What do I do 
+now?
+[22:20:14]  it should be in /usr/share/applications/
+[22:20:28]  though there is a gnome3 extension to launch 
+apps with optirun/primusrun
+[22:20:33]  it's called optirun
+[22:22:10]  Ohhh so that's where it is. I was looking in 
+/.local/share/applications
+[22:22:16]  Thank you!
+[22:23:08]  np :)
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+[22:24:33]  installed more stuff... the games I play are in AUR 
+:)
+[22:24:39]  even Git versions, like Minetest
+[22:27:31]  :)
+[22:28:05]  btw I worked on French Cnchi translation a while 
+ago
+[22:28:07]  I should check it again, some strings aren't 
+translated
+[22:28:15]  also, very good work on Cnchi, the manual 
+partitioner is excellent
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+[22:45:21]  hmm, I've had Dolphin close while I was working 
+with it, but no crash dialog appeared
+[22:45:26]  did not click the close button or press Alt+F4
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+[23:43:42]  !
+[23:44:16]  ?
+[23:47:08]  bored further on pff
+[23:47:36]  :)
+[23:48:25]  must make a new antergos iso because 2016,04 has no 
+networkmanager
+[23:48:26]  pff
+[23:48:36]  need a new snapshot
+[23:48:57]  got one from december i think
+[23:52:43]  yea Arch is crazy fast . . . Cinnamon 3.0.1 
+was released on April 25th and Arch had it on April 25th
+[23:53:19]  ringo32: what? it has a networkmanager, it 
+couldn't install without a network
+[23:54:02]  Calinou: that's odd, Dolphin is usually the 
+most reliable for me.
+[23:54:29]  did it happen only the once?
+[23:55:03]  i find it odd also :)
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+[23:55:07]  MichaelTunnell, I think he means that it doesn't 
+install the network manager. It does install the openvpn package etc. 
+though so no clue how it is possible that it is missing
+[23:55:27]  pacman -Qs networkmanager  gives other things
+[23:55:32]  but not networkmanager
+[23:55:39]  in gnome-boxes
+[23:56:02]  also systemctl list-unit-files | grep Network
+[23:56:08]  does not show it
+[23:56:26]  compared a bit with my own system also, i choosed 
+Xfce
+[23:56:35]  and my beloved xfce 
+
+ +### Antergos ops + +
+[05:12:11]  @karasu0 https://github.com/Antergos/Cnchi/pull/588
+[05:12:13] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/T45QqK] Tell the user where 
+the log file is stored. by Wyn10 · Pull Request #588 · Antergos/Cnchi · 
+GitHub
+[12:59:56]   I should probably also talk here.
+[13:00:23]   We have users who think it's a good 
+idea to edit /etc/lsb_release or whatever it is to say they are using 
+Arch Linux Rolling and then go to Arch Linux support channels.
+[13:00:48]   I have tried to communicate that that 
+is a bad idea and only makes Arch communities hate them and Antergos in 
+general even more, but they aren't willing to listen.
+[13:01:06]   I am also sadly not emotionless 
+machine and ended up first kicking and then removing one user.
+[13:02:33]   I also stated that I don't care 
+anymore, people can call their Antergos Arch as much as they want and I 
+don't care ops doing that either, they can only hurt themselves and 
+Antergos. I have used vanilla Arch for a long time possibly even before 
+I became Antergos op and I do it because of kindness just like the 
+bridge bot between IRC and Telegram which is only getting negative 
+feedback.
+[13:03:29]   It shouldn't also come as surprise 
+that I am not mentally healthy and that I also have my limits. I wish 
+there were multiple people present at all times who could handle the 
+matter more peacefully.
+[13:03:42]   @karasu0 @Yoshi2889 @RottNKorpse 
+@lots0logs Wyn
+[13:07:14]   I guess forums are going to have long 
+preach against me soon, but whatever
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+[18:23:50]  @Kissaela You can only do so much against stubborn 
+users, don't put that on yourself.  But kicking the user is not what you 
+should be doing, at all.  You are secondly pushing that user to go into 
+the Arch channels by kicking this person.  If the telegram bot is 
+getting "only" negative feedback, what is the feedback you have 
+received?
+[18:24:02]  Should not be doing*.
+[18:24:32]   I cannot prevent users from doing 
+what they wish and as I have said, I am not emotionless machine.
+[18:25:00]   The feedback I have gotten is that 
+Telegram is horribly insecure and Antergos shjouldn't use it and promote 
+propietary server software.
+[18:29:39]  @Kissaela It does not give you a right the kick 
+ringo32.  You simply kicked without a discussion, and he's literally one 
+of the more positive people on the channel.
+[18:30:21]   @Kissaela, IRC isnt more secure
+[18:33:41]  Your kick doesn't make sense either
+[18:34:15]   Do you wish that I leave Antergos or 
+what do you want me to do?
+[18:34:28]   Is everyone else allowed to feel 
+aggressive sometimes when they are angry, but not me?
+[18:34:29]   Why?
+[18:34:35]  I don't want you to do anything
+[18:34:49]  I'm just saying it doesn't make sense
+[18:34:52]   @Yoshi2889, IRC doesn't store 
+conversations anywhere which is safe assumption. Telegram does.
+[18:35:03]   It does make perfect sense as I was 
+angry and I am angry at you now.
+[18:36:31]  Why, because i told you your kick doesn't make 
+sense?
+[18:36:56]   Can someone explain to NanoSector 
+that when people are angry they make inreasonable things?
+[18:37:25]  "I am angry at you now"
+[18:37:35]   yes, because you cannot understand
+[18:37:47]  Yes, i can
+[18:38:55]   Ringo tried having a mature 
+discussion
+[18:39:09]   You kicked him for that
+[18:39:11]   Why?
+[18:39:50]   Why did you even get angry at him, I 
+have the logs in front of me and don't see anything wrong
+[18:40:13]   No, I kicked him for getting angry 
+for them repeating endlessly "Antergos is Arch" and "I can edit 
+lsb_release so it says Arch and go to ask Arch for support"
+[18:40:31]   Why did that make you angry?
+[18:40:43]   because it's stupid and I have told 
+them multiple times
+[18:41:06]   You could simply have said that you 
+do not want such things in the channel
+[18:41:25]   and they would have went directly to 
+Arch channels
+[18:41:26]   That it is against the rules
+[18:42:02]   I don't think it has been documented 
+in the rules and I consider kicks as warning, as more action would have 
+been remove
+[18:42:07]   If he then still wouldn't have shut 
+up about it you could've kicked him for ignoring the warning
+[18:42:28]   Kicks aren't warnings, IMO
+[18:42:40]   they have been since IRC was invented
+[18:43:05]   In the SMF team I'd have my 
+moderation powers suspended for an action like this
+[18:43:17]   And where is that said?
+[18:43:18]   bye
+[18:43:29]   I am leaving to cry somewhere now and 
+if I decide to jump under metro thamk yourself of it
+[18:43:48]   Stop being such a drama queen
+[18:47:58]  reading this is embarrassing more then anything...like 
+we already have enough on our plate regarding community activity
+[18:51:32]   It sure is embarrassing
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+[23:22:02]  um ok wow so lets address this.
+[23:22:28]  Mikaela: a kick is not a warning . . . a 
+"hey this is a warning, don't do blah", that's a warning.
+[23:22:44]  a kick is "GTFO but you can come back". Ban 
+is GTFO forever.
+[23:23:28]  yes, that is how i see kicks as well
+[23:23:48]  Antergos IS Arch technically speaking and if 
+someone goes through the effort to try and solve their problem before 
+asking in the Arch channels the Arch channels will be fine with helping 
+Antergos users. I have discussed this with people in the Arch channels.
+[23:24:28]  the issue is Antergos brands itself as "for 
+everyone" which is not true and thus brings in people who won't put any 
+real effort in and then asking Arch channels without putting in effort . 
+. . that is what they hate.
+[23:24:40]  you do mean that we try to solve their problem 
+first, right?
+[23:24:54]  I left helping in the Arch channel because I 
+got sick of the Manjaro people yelling at me for not helping with a 
+distro I wasn't even using.
+[23:25:06]  NanoSector: that's what I meant to say yes
+[23:25:10]  aight
+[23:25:19]  i didn't know that, but that's cool
+[23:26:31]  so yea the Arch channel does not hate people 
+for asking help with Antergos, they hate it when people ask for help 
+when they've not attempted to solve it themselves. Arch is all about 
+"solve it yourself" first so that is perfectly reasonable stance.
+[23:26:53]  that sounds reasonable indeed
+[23:27:00]  MichaelTunnell: also address this with Mikaela: 
+<@Teleuforia>  I am leaving to cry somewhere now and if I 
+decide to jump under metro thamk yourself of it
+[23:27:18]  yes, that was uncalled for
+[23:27:30]  this type of stuff shouldnt be said here at all
+[23:27:33]  kicking people because you disagree with 
+Antergos being Arch or not, is absurd and not acceptable. IT is NEVER 
+acceptable to kick someone just because of a difference of opinion.
+[23:28:11]  MichaelTunnell, i did try to explain exactly 
+that
+[23:28:56]  Mikaela:  you are certainly entitled to be 
+angry but you have power in this community, power that others do not so 
+NO you do NOT have the right to invoke that power just because you are 
+angry. If you become angry and want to not continue the conversation 
+then, leave the conversation.
+[23:29:24]  and that is easier said than done
+[23:29:45]  but just count to 10 before replying, it helps
+[23:29:46]  NanoSector: certainly, I agree. I have had 
+to stop myself on multiple occasions but the thing is, I always stop 
+myself.
+[23:29:56]  yes, i am guilty of that too
+[23:30:09]  but sometimes i don't stop
+[23:31:15]  Mikaela: in relation to the leaving to cry. 
+That is unfortunate and I wish nothing but the best for you. However, 
+you made a mistake and that is that. You have to just deal with the 
+mistake and try to make up for it.
+[23:31:23]  either way i wasn't trying to pick a fight with 
+the convo today or even try to make anyone angry
+[23:31:47]  NanoSector: I know, I'm just responding to 
+the parts where I think I should.
+[23:32:23]  yes, that's fine, i'm just outputting my 
+thoughts
+[23:32:40]  Telegram does have less security in a very 
+very nice sense of having a central server. That's why I want the bot 
+renamed to Telegram something so people know it's happening immediately. 
+If they want to leave the chat because of it then that is fine.
+[23:33:07]  Telegram was a fantastic idea to be added to 
+the channels and it has brought more activity from Antergos team in, 
+that by itself is worth it for the channel.
+[23:33:15]  doesn't freenode have central servers as well, 
+though?
+[23:33:28]  even though they supposedly don't store messages
+[23:33:40]  I brought up the bot being renamed to Telegram as well.
+[23:33:43]  NanoSector: I think so but I can't guarantee 
+on the message part
+[23:34:07]  either way it's irrelevant, they're both not 
+secure as anyone could just join and publish the logs somewhere
+[23:34:17]  NanoSector: agreed
+[23:34:41]  which is why I want it obvious and then 
+users can decide to care or not. This way we never have to care. :)
+[23:34:49]  true
+[23:35:04]  thats what i said 2+ weeks ago lul
+[23:36:19]  that final thing I will comment on. Mikaela 
+telling people to blame themselves for a terrible decision of suicide is 
+appalling and not remotely acceptable. If you do decide to do it, which 
+of course I hope you don't because that would be awful . . . but if you 
+do, that would be your decision, not anyone here or in the main channel.
+[23:36:39]  yes there are people who are vile assholes 
+in some places but that's not us so to say that is offensive to us.
+[23:37:26]  well at least it is offensive to me . . . I 
+can't speak for everyone but I'd comfortable with assuming they agree.
+[23:38:39]  i felt bad and kind of angry because i was the 
+one being blamed while i didn't intend any harm
+[23:39:36]  so, apologies for my drama queen comment
+[23:40:49]  NanoSector: I understand. I would feel the 
+same. I hate to hear people talking about killing themselves. I know 
+people who have done it and it is something I'll never truly get over 
+but to blame others for that action is appalling to me.
+[23:41:11]  :(
+[23:41:42]  I often try to help those who express such 
+comments but I'm not a doctor so I can't truly do anything but listen 
+and I always try to be there for people who want me to be but even then 
+that's not enough.
+[23:42:46]  I realize that and I couldn't help the 
+person who I knew that did it but that does not mean it was my fault or 
+anyone else's so that kind of statement infuriates me. In the most, 
+understanding and sympathetic way possible.
+[23:42:54]  you're doing your best MichaelTunnell
+[23:43:10]  All problems are temporary problems and 
+suicide is a permanent solution to temporary problems.
+[23:44:14]  NanoSector: I like to think so
+
+ +## 2016-05-02 + +The Antergos drama isn't over and I had therapy session in the beginning +of this day. However I really didn't want to talk about yesterday, so +I lied about there being nothing (sorry). + +Afterwards the new drama starts, I am added to Telegram groupchats +(practically meaning no logs) and if you have read more of my blog than +just this, you can probably think by yourself why I got upset. + +Group1: Arabic spam where I just reported it as spam and left and changed +my privacy settings that only my contacts (people who have my number) can +add me to groups. + +Group2: Here I was added by contact, friend of pre-transition-me whom with +I have had no contact since then with one exception of when I joined +Telegram and they got notification of it. + +Anyway, back to the group. Entirely random people where I see my name +mentioned multiple times and some NSFW material (at family friendly +group?). I replied to those lines that "yes, they should add me to the +group if they asked me and I said yes" and "I am not interested in NSFW +groups" or something like that (there being logs would be easier). + +I left (without reporting the group for spam as people who have your phone +number for whatever reason just cannot be spammers) and discussed it +with the person doing the adding and person whom I thought was my friend. + +With person 1, I requested them to not add me to groups without asking me +first, linked to my blog for explanation and also suggested them to read +Telegram spam FAQ to understand what people can consider as spam. + +With person 2, I gave screenshots of relevant parts of the discussion with +person 1, who then went "I don't believe person 3 has done any emotional +abuse" and went to talk about person 3 about it which when I learned it +caused me to just block both people after saying person 2 "You don't go +to rapist telling that their victim has bad experience with them" and if +you know my temper already, you understand the question I asked also before +blocking "why do I have to go to absolutes with everyone?". + +I also removed person 2 from my IRC channel which made them go to entirely +unrelated channel and take the drama there (which has it's own share of +drama and really doesn't need other dramas) calling me as false-friend and +telling me to stop playing with their feelings (having feelings is +apparently a privilege and I am not allowed to have them, they have no idea +on drama #1 though even if I mentioned it). + +And as I said, this was Telegram and I have no logs, so we can probably +return to Antergos and the drama number three. + +## 2016-05-03 + +![Antergos irc forum problems](https://i.imgur.com/XxPNqDP.png) + +> G’Day. After attending the antergos irc support chat for a while, I am +> wondering what is going on over there. +> I wonder if it is tolerable that a channel operator who is constantly +> talking about his/her? off topic sexual transgender +> problems/frustrations (like having to take medication to suppress sexual +> desire or getting the testicles removed in the nearer future or +> everyyone except him/her having sexual intercourse ) in a linux distro +> support irc group is banning people on the base of personal preferences +> without any justificable reasons. +> +> J. + +Flashback to drama #1, you should by now have a good idea on what +happened and in case you know me or my blog, you don't need to have +the facts, but I must probably explain them to new readers. + +First we must probably visit the rules of the IRC channel to know + +> General talk about other topics is allowed if it does not interfere with +> the main topic of the channel. + +And then to the other things that were said. + +0. You now by now that I am not entirely mentally healthy, but what is not +said yet is that at nightime I get often worse and can be more talkative +about transness than on other times. +1. I have no sexual problems/frustation. I am happy and proud asexual +which means I don't feel sexual attraction towards anyone. I also don't +feel "sexual desire" at all and have no idea what is this person talking about. +2. Yes, I will have orchiectomy which is removal of testicles hopefully in +near future. Thank you for giving me the excuse to talk about it on my blog +as I might not go to futher surgeries after that and trans women who only +get orchiectomy are stealth or not so visible for other reasons and +I can be as visible as I want on my blog and hopefully help others +that way. I often get feedback on IRC thanking either of my IRC +related articles or making them understand LGBT\* issues better etc. +3. Who was banned? I don't remember banning anyone or doing it by +personal preferences, but if we were Ubuntu or someone else, you +would have violated the Code of Conduct and would have good reason +for banning. + +## Bottom line + +*The best weapon against the lies is the truth.* + +This is what happened from my point of view with feeling suicidal three +times. I am a human with feelings/emotions, not superhuman or robot +without them. This means that I also make mistakes and I am sorry for +them. + +However I again feel better after writing this and I should really write +more. + +## More about me + +In case you are interested in reading more about me, I suggest + +* https://mikaela.info/about which is my about page and in the bottom + contains links to my-life-related posts where this one doesn't belong + due to happening mostly online. +* https://mikaela.info/irc for the previously mentioned IRC posts which + also include two posts about umode+g which explain why I am unhappy + with private messages which come without my explicit permission. +* https://mikaela.info/blog for the other blog posts I have written about + random subjects.