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title: "Stay away from Anope IRC Services"
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category: [english]
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This post is my experiences with developers of Anope IRC Services and with
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this kind of behaviour I encourage everyone to not use it in any network
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where it can be avoided.
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If you are Anope developer, keep in mind that **views of your project are
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those that the most noisy member of your project has** and **your project
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is your most noisy people.**
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*All times are Europe/Helsinki which in these logs is UTC+2. I am also
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following Finnish law [Secrecy of correspondence] which allows me to
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publish private discussions that I am sender or receiver of. Same policy
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is followed in [freenode-harassment].*
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[Secrecy of correspondence]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy_of_correspondence
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[freenode-harassment]:https://github.com/Mikaela/freenode-harassment/
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**I am also removing logs to pastebins as those are mostly expired.**
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## Kban without reason
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This log hasn't been cut before the kban to show that I said nothing on this
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[13:49:29] <Csibesz> hi
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[13:49:42] <Csibesz> how i can add to nickserv on welcome message to welcome user
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[13:50:04] <Csibesz> unregistered_notice = "Welcome to ****** nicname
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[13:50:11] <Csibesz> *nickname
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[13:52:26] <ctcp> yes
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[13:52:32] <Csibesz> yes what:D
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[13:52:46] <ctcp> whats the question
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[13:52:57] <Csibesz> how i can add to nickserv to great nick with nickname
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[13:53:15] <Csibesz> 3:34:46] -NickServ- Welcome to bla bla
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[13:53:23] <ctcp> exactly as the example shows
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[13:53:26] <Csibesz> i want 3:34:46] -NickServ- Welcome to bla bla Csibesz
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[13:54:43] <ctcp> oh im not sure how to add nickname
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[13:57:06] <winterchillz> morning
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[13:57:43] <Yoerger> morning
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[13:59:42] <Csibesz> yes that was the problem:D
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[13:59:48] <Csibesz> i add uline other server:D
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[13:59:59] <Csibesz> sorry not here
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[14:00:00] <Csibesz> :DD
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[14:01:21] <winterchillz> yet to setup my uline, I'll have to read around a bit, still a bit confusing
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[14:01:40] <winterchillz> especially lazy to identify to the server via the standard command, especially when I'm on my phone lol
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[14:01:46] <Csibesz> :)
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[14:02:12] <Csibesz> why is that i can se chanserv log on chan and other netadmin on other serv he can
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[14:09:37] <ctcp> no one understand your question Csibesz
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[14:10:20] <Csibesz> i see this on chan
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[14:10:21] <Csibesz> [14:09:45] (ChanServ): Inheriting commands and privs from Helper to Services Operator
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[14:10:46] <Csibesz> but my friend connected to her serv he dont seen
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[14:10:51] <Csibesz> on same chan ..
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[14:11:00] <Csibesz> and have same flags
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[14:11:11] <winterchillz> maybe she has less access privileges on the opers.conf?
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[14:12:15] <ctcp> thats oper blocks in anope
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[14:12:17] <ctcp> inherits = "Helper, Another Helper"
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[14:12:26] <ctcp> read the examples Csibesz
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[14:12:43] <ctcp> in services.conf
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[14:12:50] <Csibesz> yes i see
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[14:12:50] <Csibesz> :D
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[14:14:33] <Csibesz> yes fixed:Ö)
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[14:14:36] <Csibesz> thanks:)
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[14:15:36] <winterchillz> btw, SaberUK, managed to do the redirect we spoke about earlier; Got the irc. domain to function, our ISP had the option to just add a redirect
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[14:16:08] <winterchillz> just added the option for irc.our.domain to point to the server IP and it went live instantly, thanks for the help with that :)
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[14:34:22] <winterchillz> can someone point me to a document that I can read so I can understand the uline better? I want my irc to stop telling me that the services are imposter
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[14:34:34] <winterchillz> and instead start picking up the /ns /cs etc. commands
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[14:34:54] <winterchillz> I'm not sure how to do that though and I feel a bit lost
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[14:35:43] <ctcp> https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd/blob/v2.0.18/docs/conf/links.conf.example#L109
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[14:36:04] <ctcp> your using inspircd i assume
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[14:36:08] <ctcp> if i recall
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[14:36:13] <winterchillz> yes, ctcp, that's correct
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[14:36:43] <winterchillz> so I have to change that line to the name my services are using as a network?
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[14:36:48] <ctcp> indeed
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[14:37:57] <winterchillz> haha, oh, didn't think it'd be that easy
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[14:38:06] * winterchillz bows down to ctcp
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[14:38:56] <ctcp> developers of services package and ircd did all that winterchillz
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[14:39:10] <ctcp> we are just using their work
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[14:39:15] <winterchillz> true that, but you're the person who helped me in my case
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[14:39:22] <winterchillz> it'd be ungrateful not to thank you
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[14:39:23] <ctcp> Your welcome
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[17:58:29] <Adam> oh
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[17:58:29] <Adam> dang
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[17:58:32] <Adam> that isnt the right button
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After this I am unbanned, but it's irrevelant to this post as I said
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[17:59:55] <Mikaela> does anyone have any idea why I was banned from #anope at teranova?
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[18:01:50] <Mikaela> Adam: are you the same Adam as at teranova and could comment ^^?
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[18:01:56] <AnneGwenn> Mikaela: last logs?
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[18:02:08] <Mikaela> moment
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[18:02:17] <Adam> I dont care for brainwashed atheme users
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[18:02:32] <Mikaela> so that means no reason at all?
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[18:03:26] <Adam> if thats what you want it mena, either way its not a conversation for here
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[18:07:19] <Adam> er, it to mean*
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[18:07:40] <Mikaela> I don't think I even talked on that channel
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[19:41:33] <grawity> the people in #anope tend to be assholes about visitors associated with competing services
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[19:42:33] <grawity> ( probably because some people used to come there just to troll, I dunno ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
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* This was actually a good discussion and I thought that maybe Anope and
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* It's also learned that my Anope help issue was caused by WeeChat's OTR.py
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script attempting to use OTR with HostServ. This has been fixed in it
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though and now it won't attempt to send messages to any known network
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services meaning `*Serv` ChanFix, Alis or anything beginning with `*`
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[18:52:02] <Adam> sorry about earlier I was just a little angered over some comments you said in #inspircd before joining, I shouldnt have just banned you like that, apologies
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[18:52:30] <Mikaela> which comments exactly?
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[18:52:47] <Adam> (04:08:36) < Mikaela> I think I still prefer to Atheme. At least it's understandable and doesn't tell you that you must group on page that doesn't have anything releated to groups and Atheme's HostServ is clear instead of saying "no
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[18:52:51] <Adam> help available for ." The command also seem weird
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[18:53:08] <Adam> with all due respect, you probably do not know *anything* about anope
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[18:53:39] <Adam> especailly if you just pick up stuff from #atheme its usually always incorrect
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[18:53:43] <Adam> anyway I unbanned you
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[18:53:43] <Mikaela> I am used to using Atheme and joined to the network because of curiosity and wanting to learn Anope and I also asked the questions on your help channel
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[18:54:01] <Mikaela> I don't think #atheme has ever talked about Anope with me being there
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[18:54:51] <Adam> If you want to be helpful you should report bugs etc to #anope or -devel instead of making vague claims in #inspircd etc, that is not helpful and just makes us look bad, when theres a good chance you may be completely wrong
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[18:55:43] <Mikaela> I always start by doing basic things like registration first and I have no idea on what are bugs with Anope and what just issues with your network.
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[18:55:43] <Adam> I used to be there and I know they certainly did
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[18:56:40] <Mikaela> I have probably missed that.
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[18:57:27] <Mikaela> Do you know "rules of marketing" or whatever they were? They have point in "when person has bad experience with you, they will tell that to 15 people and when person has good experience with you, they will tell that to three people" or similar
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[18:57:55] <Mikaela> I am referring to kban without any apparent reason as I didn't even talk on the channel
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[18:58:03] <Adam> Im not sure if those apply to idelogical zealots which is who I am accustomed to dealing with
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[18:58:10] <Adam> whether or not you are one is left to be determined I suppose
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[18:58:38] <Adam> and probably rests more on my behavior than anything else tbh so sorry!
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[18:58:51] <Adam> (but, there were many of them prior to my existance)
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[18:59:31] <Mikaela> if I was zealot, I guess I wouldn't bother connecting to network using Anope or if I did, I would do that with some other reason than curiosity and wanting to also learn it. I also didn't hear anything on the help channel on how do I group nicks or set that local suffix into email address and what else did I ask
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[19:00:51] <Adam> just because he doesnt use anope, but for some reason still feels like he can assist users, thats just silly
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[19:01:49] <Mikaela> I don't mostly assist with services unless I am sure how to do that and I am only comfortable around Atheme if I am asked for help as that is what I have been using since 2010 as user and later some days as oper (until I got in fight with other opers)
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[19:02:15] <Mikaela> it advertises being official help channel for your network so I naturally thought that I should ask my questions there
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[19:02:38] <Adam> Id be interested in what you did to make hostserv give back "no help available for ." though
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[19:02:46] <Adam> do you mean literally thator just "no help available for <command>"
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[19:02:53] <Mikaela> I mean that literally
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[19:03:47] <Mikaela> oh, I think I know what that is, please let me test.
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[19:03:49] <Mikaela> I am registered as Mikaela
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[19:05:18] <Mikaela> oh, no, I failed with that command. It was OTR whitespace confusing it
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[19:05:40] <Mikaela> I set otr.py to always send that, because Atheme and Supybot or any other bot I interacted with doesn't care about it
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[19:05:50] <Mikaela> Off-The-Record end-to-end encryption
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[19:06:00] <Mikaela> https://otr.im/
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[19:06:18] <Mikaela> what I am sending is "help", but the otr script for WeeChat added whitespace to the end to advertise my capability for OTR
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[19:06:21] <Mikaela> ?OTRv2? I would like to start an Off-the-Record private conversation. However, you do not have a plugin to support that. See https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/ for more information.
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[19:06:38] <Adam> what kind of whitespace
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[19:06:46] <Adam> just like spaces? tabs?
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[19:06:50] <Adam> other whitespace?
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[19:06:57] <Mikaela> I am not fully sure, but the code is at https://github.com/mmb/weechat-otr
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[19:07:09] <Mikaela> I think it should be normal spaces or tabs, but I am not developer
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[19:07:30] <Adam> hm
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[19:07:53] <Adam> well if you find out (dump your clients i/o maybe?) and file a bug I can look at fixing it if its not too big
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[19:08:18] <Mikaela> I have no idea how I would be doing that and all messages that I send to you shoul also have the same tag or at least the first one which starts query
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[19:09:06] <Mikaela> I think I am currently just disabling that whitespace for Anope. It's weird that only HostServ has issues as NickServ and ChanServ worked without any issues at all
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[19:09:10] <Adam> pm Adam_ something ill see what it is
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[19:09:22] <Adam> they use the same parser code so, that is weird
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[19:10:22] <Mikaela> and if you now looked into help channel, could you offer me some kind of idea on how would I go grouping my altnick or setting my email address to mikaela+teranova@mikaela.info?
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[19:11:05] <Mikaela> with Atheme where I am used to that was just /nick altnick /ns group, but Anope wants username and password of the target and then says that I must go to some website which says nothing about grouping to me
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[19:11:47] <Adam> it appears to append 25 character 9 (decimal)
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[19:12:36] <Adam> I get the same from all services with it
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[19:12:44] <Adam> [12:12:28] <Adam_> help
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[19:12:44] <Mikaela> ?OTR:AAICAAAAxPVlffsB15W+dhZj54EtF7lLvgtW8fqaieg5mg3MEfxOgLca2O9RRyk4NR2Rw5fzgj8wdYxbExLFNT3hjB9tmCNSS+bFqLEtjvRXxx++8cjqy2vYu8A5BYl01JI51RBTWWgrTPvGQ5EO2TdeNWbC2uiR4oS7l8JkrjsKpNeDpS+o0KlfVZhg7pXaEFrHWhiHS0vzLZKDBVKAopiSkOXX1JEtbWinRUHa53h/vZ1OUTyDY8f6HMUaHwtoq02o/nRQW1rdgzsAAAAghIqxWdWjvAHQB/PK7EemAzGag9a64Hpb9lq84GFxsHY=.
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[19:12:44] <Adam> [12:12:28] -NickServ- No help available for .
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[19:13:11] <Adam> now youre speaking with OTR i cant read it
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[19:13:13] <Mikaela> weird, I am sure that I have WeeChat sending that to everyone by default and NickServ and ChanServ answered without issues
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[19:13:34] <Adam> you must have an exception somewhere for ns and cs
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[19:13:36] <Adam> to not use it
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[19:13:38] <Mikaela> I am not speaking OTR as I cannot end it
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[19:13:51] <Adam> (12:12:44) <Mikaela> ?OTR:AAICAAAAxPVlffsB15W+dhZj54EtF7lLvgtW8fqaieg5mg3MEfxOgLca2O9RRyk4NR2Rw5fzgj8wdYxbExLFNT3hjB9tmCNSS+bFqLEtjvRXxx++8cjqy2vYu8A5BYl01JI51RBTWWgrTPvGQ5EO2TdeNWbC2uiR4oS7l8JkrjsKpNeDpS+o0KlfVZhg7pXaEFrHWhiHS0vzLZKDBVKAopiSkOXX1JEtbWinRUHa53h/vZ1OUTyDY8f6HMUaHwtoq02o/nRQW1rdgzsAAAAghIqxWdWjvAHQB/PK7EemAzGag9a64Hpb9lq84GFxsHY=.
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[19:13:53] <Mikaela> ?OTR:AAIKAAAAwGk3J6pLR/1b7y2vOYq+rCyx2DZ2UDYiqR139uvhII5VEvjJAE+WHdKxzZzPw4dk9h55CYC0D3KJlxHvByr2xHwYnTVcNKcOAk7Gu474TQjq+3snFdiyuuBkMZ9TUZ8WLJOxUZXfGEUVMs24CPyFghkYtlJZ8BjAYg7LWBa+/osGO8GlwWOsyLJsBsLDkwi3jjWRMpSLC5mNlYRFDpa+EMDu9/WZoRUsIbo8ZAH4eDmxu5c+FFi7EP9EYL6hEzfhpQ==.
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[19:13:56] <Adam> I saw this
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[19:14:17] <Mikaela> which was the last thing you saw before that OTR started?
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[19:14:41] <Adam> http://pastebin.com/mnVdSJnR
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[19:15:45] <Mikaela> 2015-02-15 19:13:13+0200 < Mikaela> weird, I am sure that I have WeeChat sending that to everyone by default and NickServ and ChanServ answered without issues
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[19:15:46] <Mikaela> I think this is the only line
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[19:16:06] <Mikaela> and you pasting that tag probably made WeeChat believe that you support OTR as I attempted to /otr start earlier
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[19:16:11] <Adam> well, you must not be sending to nickserv and chanserv, because they cant parse it
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[19:16:14] <Adam> oh
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[19:16:21] <Adam> close/reopen the query perhaps
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[19:17:18] <Mikaela> done
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[19:17:20] <Mikaela> and the only expection I can see in /iset send_tag is HostServ on network te
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[19:17:59] <Mikaela> I usually abbreviate network names to two letters in WeeChat to not have them take so much space in channel list
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[19:18:08] <Adam> thats worse now, i see visable junk at the end of all of your messages
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[19:18:42] <Mikaela> weird, it should be invisible
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[19:18:49] <Adam> it was before
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[19:18:59] <Adam> maybe its using a different key with different characters
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[19:19:07] <Adam> because im seeing a bunch of I's which is how irssi shows tabs
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[19:19:27] <Mikaela> irssi has OTR support in git, but I am not sure if it was merged yet
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[19:19:54] <Adam> im not interested in it, only making it so services can deal with it if someone uses it I suppose
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[19:20:21] <Adam> send another message to adam_
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[19:20:33] <Mikaela> I have no idea what atheme or supybot are doing to handle it without issues
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[19:21:35] <Adam> hm still only seeing character 9's there
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[19:21:54] <Adam> it must be different per user per session
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[19:22:03] <Mikaela> oh, I might have one idea
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[19:22:27] <Mikaela> the script generates new key for every nick@network that I use and teranova doesn't have keys yet, I will cp them
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[19:25:43] <Mikaela> I am on umode +R by the way, so I am not receiving anything from adam_
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[19:25:52] <Mikaela> if you even sent anything
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[19:25:54] <Adam> im not sending anything
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[19:26:41] <Adam> anyway ns/cs definitely don't parse this I can manually append it to my messages and I get the same error you got
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[19:27:27] <Adam> as far as + in emails, services does allow it except we have login.anope.org instead which has its own validation
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[19:27:32] <Adam> which probably uses some php thing I dont know
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[19:27:39] <Adam> its our code, custom
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[19:28:03] <Mikaela> when I query NickServ and say "help" it works. Maybe that script has some kind of hardcoding to avoid NickServ
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[19:28:10] <Adam> that could be
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[19:28:57] <Adam> what services actually sends you back is
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[19:29:03] <Adam> "no help available for \2\9\2"
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[19:29:33] <Mikaela> yes, that script has hardcoding, but is missing some services. I think I understand the script enough to send pull request fixing that
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[19:29:52] <Mikaela> https://github.com/mmb/weechat-otr/blob/master/weechat_otr.py#L974-979
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[19:32:31] <Adam> also we have grouping on here disabled
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[19:32:53] <Adam> because of our login.anope.org account system
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[19:33:06] <Mikaela> that answers the question.
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[19:33:08] <Mikaela> I hope SASL still identifies me as Mikaela even if I connect as Michaela?
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[19:33:09] <Adam> you dont need to group though you can just /ns id Mikaela password
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[19:33:14] <Adam> yes
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[19:33:18] <Mikaela> I see
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[19:33:37] <Mikaela> Atheme does the same, but OFTC and their weird services logout you as you change to nick that doesn't have your SSL certificate
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[19:33:48] <Adam> it is because you own the account Mikaela in ldap, you cannot /nick notmikaela and then /ns group to mikaela, because what if someone owns notmikaela in ldap?
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[19:33:56] <Adam> or, what if noone does now, but does later?
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[19:34:29] <Adam> maybe if you registered both in login.anope.org, but then they would be two totally independent accounts, so
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[19:34:39] <Mikaela> shouldn't the ldap check that?
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[19:35:06] <Mikaela> I think I am currently happy. Does Anope have better documentation like quickstart guide for users somewhere?
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[19:35:12] <Adam> it could maybe but that would be a mess
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[19:35:14] <Adam> I think
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[19:35:25] <Adam> if you have someone else register in ldap the account you own a nick for that is grouped to Mikaela
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[19:35:45] <Adam> they would /ns id yournick theirpassword and then you would have to be forcibly removed
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[19:35:48] <Adam> lol
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[19:35:49] <Adam> or something
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[19:36:07] <Adam> the ldap schema has no concept of groups of nicks and then a display or anything, it just has accounts
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[19:36:12] <Adam> whic his how we set it up
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[19:36:50] <Mikaela> there was also some kind of avatar thing in login.anope.org. How does that work? Why it doesn't lookup my avatar from Gravatar or somewhere as my email was already given?
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[19:36:57] <Adam> OFTC just simply doesnt have accounts, its not that uncommon, anope 1 behaved that way. it certainly doesnt make it wrong
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[19:37:10] <Adam> I think it was made before gravatar was a thing
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[19:37:27] <Adam> just, upload it yourself, its only used on the forums I think
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[19:37:37] <Mikaela> and I would be interested in the documentation as Atheme is missing those excpet /msg service everything
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[19:37:39] <Mikaela> I see
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[19:38:37] <Adam> I dont think there is user documentation
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[19:38:57] <Mikaela> I wonder what is the first service that succeeds in writing that
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[19:39:10] <Adam> There used to be the docgen but that was baiscally just the help output glorified and put on a webpage, but its only does anope 1
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[19:39:28] <Adam> Im not sure if there needs to be any user documentation
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[19:39:33] <Adam> most of its obvious
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[19:39:33] <Mikaela> I see
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[19:39:43] <Adam> and well what is a "user"
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[19:39:57] <Adam> imo a user is just someone who uses IRC but does not say administer channels
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[19:40:19] <Adam> the average user probably uses nothing more than identify and maybe some info outputs
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[19:40:21] <Mikaela> I have been planning to be writing fast quickstart for Atheme, because Finns at pirateirc have trouble with understanding services and registering and everything
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[19:40:40] <Adam> channel administation can be more complex
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[19:40:53] <Adam> although we have qop for access which is about as dumbed down as possible
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[19:40:59] <Adam> compared to say flags
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[19:41:33] <Adam> since its basically each command is associated with a channel prefix, which users often understand pretty early
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[19:42:10] <Mikaela> https://github.com/Mikaela/wiki.mikaela.info/issues/2
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[19:42:35] <Adam> some documentation would be welcome I suppose though
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[19:42:51] <Mikaela> and I have written this for myself for automatically setting templates the way I want and later be lazy https://github.com/Mikaela/gist/blob/master/irc/atheme/cstemplate
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[19:42:55] <Adam> I never really got into it because never had the time and my time was best spent developing actual features which not everyone can do
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[19:43:23] <Mikaela> I would have time, but I have no skills or then I don't feel like doing anything or something
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[19:43:50] <Mikaela> automatic identification part should be same with both as that is SASL or CertFP
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[19:45:07] <Adam> you should setup anope and play with it some and see what its like
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[19:45:55] <Mikaela> I am currently having opering burnout or something, so not immediately and it feels better to be in some network as normal user where to wonder things
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[19:46:39] <Adam> hm oper burnout lol
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[19:46:45] <Adam> from the other opers?
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[19:47:05] <Mikaela> those
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[19:47:41] <Mikaela> oh, I hope you don't mind that I added the beginning of this discussion to that zerobin as I talked about it ~everywhere including kaniini whom you don't seem to like so much
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[19:47:57] <Adam> oh thats great.
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[19:48:31] <Adam> I do mind actually
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[19:48:57] <Adam> but thats ok
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[19:49:22] <Mikaela> I can probably erase that zerobin if you wish
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[19:49:32] <Mikaela> I don't think anyone from there read it as no one has said anything
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[19:50:06] <Mikaela> erased
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[19:50:10] <Adam> thanks
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[19:50:48] <Mikaela> they will just be wondering my weird comments and 404 error on paste expiry/removal/whatever
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[19:50:50] <Adam> how much did you show nenolod
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[19:51:47] <Mikaela> I don't think they ever saw that paste as they appear to be away, but it was the same paste as on #inspircd with my full log on #anope and your apology and I manually explained otr.py causing the issues
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[19:51:59] <Adam> oh
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[19:52:03] <Mikaela> I cannot be fully sure on the idle time as mammon doesn't handle that correctly
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[19:52:30] <Adam> its just, I try to avoid nenolod. generally if I totally avoid him he will avoid me and then we all get along fine
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[19:52:38] <Adam> but if I start poking at him/him at me we get in fights and its bad
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[19:53:00] <Adam> so I try to just completely ignore him
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[19:53:31] <Mikaela> I haven't had issues with them, but I have some strange feelings
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[19:53:53] <Adam> ive had nothing but issues
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[19:53:55] <Adam> for a number of years
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[19:54:01] <Adam> really since forever
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[19:54:21] <Adam> so, I try to stay away
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[19:54:52] <Adam> shouldnt have banned you earlier that just stirs up stuff
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[19:54:55] <Mikaela> wouldn't it be better for both to cooperate as you are both services developers?
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[19:55:03] <Adam> no
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[19:55:25] <Adam> hes a manipulative narcissist and cannot be reasoned with
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[19:55:30] <Adam> ive tried to before
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[19:55:45] <Mikaela> it will probably also stir up stuff that I said that I got banned without even talking on the channel and being called as "brainwashed Atheme user"
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[19:55:49] <Adam> I was an atheme developer for like idk a week
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[19:55:58] <Adam> >.>
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[19:56:20] <Mikaela> I didn't think that you could get upset on the comments on #inspircd as I also asked them on the help channel
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[19:56:23] <Adam> oh well
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[19:57:45] <Adam> after the way hes treated all of us for so many years theres no chance I dont think
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[19:58:11] <Adam> you know
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[19:58:28] <Adam> ironically hes responsbile for some of the cooler inspircd/anope stuff
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[19:59:02] <Mikaela> I don't know anything about that treatment except that they seem to have low tolerance towards some people and I think I have been in good ters even if there are some strange things
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[19:59:30] <Adam> like when i added os_dns to anope he started going around spamming anope has security holes etc and is vuln to whatever, even though it is all false
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[19:59:38] <Adam> made quite a rucus though
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[19:59:40] <Adam> on twitter too
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[20:00:07] <Adam> so I changed it around a bit a made m_dns for anope, which is an entirely modular dns system, and now its also powering inspircd 2.2's dns system
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[20:00:40] <Mikaela> I see
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[20:00:46] <Adam> his problem was just it was in the core and kind of not opt out (though it was really if you configured it to be disabled ..) but oh well now its modular
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[20:00:49] <Adam> I do like it
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[20:02:03] <Adam> hes an impulsive liar about stuff like that really, he will say whatever it is he has to to convince you that hes right
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[20:02:03] <Mikaela> Does anope have other services than those listed on about page? according to #atheme atheme has no other list of services than going through example config file and I think that is a little too difficult at the moment so I am just going to open pull request hardcoding anope
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[20:02:07] <Adam> even though its totally wrong
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[20:02:48] <Adam> pull request to where
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[20:02:52] <Mikaela> if you mean e.g. certfp, I have experience with that, but I might also be wrong about it and currently it's just the best way I can identify
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[20:02:56] <Mikaela> That OTR.py script
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[20:03:06] <Adam> no you just have to read the example configs, but
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[20:03:07] <Adam> its just uh
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[20:03:14] <Adam> nickserv chanserv botserv memoserv operserv
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[20:03:17] <Adam> hostserv
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[20:03:22] <Adam> sometimes statserv
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[20:03:31] <Adam> I think thats it
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[20:03:32] <Mikaela> so http://anope.org/about.php is not full list
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[20:03:52] <Adam> thats right minus statserv thats sort of new
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[20:04:02] <Adam> we have no chanfix or whatever else
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[20:04:02] <Adam> gameserv
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[20:04:13] <Adam> or saslserv, which I dont actually understand its purpose, though we do have sasl support
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[20:04:17] <Adam> its just in nickserv
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[20:04:25] <Mikaela> oh and kaniini appears to be present now and they answered "no" to my question on Atheme people banning Anope people without reason
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[20:04:27] <Mikaela> I will write those
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[20:04:41] <Adam> no I don't think they ban anope people without reason, why would they
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[20:05:06] <Mikaela> how do you know if Anope network supports SASL by the way? I am contributor in Limnoria and our documentation tells to check if SASL is supported by whoising SaslServ
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[20:05:20] <Adam> cap ls?
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[20:05:48] <Adam> just try it and see I guess, so you have to connect first without it in order to see if its supposed?
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[20:05:51] <Adam> er supported
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[20:05:58] <Adam> even if saslserv is on, does that mean the ircd really supports it?
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[20:06:09] <Adam> or what kind of mechs are enabled?
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[20:06:16] <Adam> some ircds dont do external but will do others
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[20:06:45] <Mikaela> cap ls is a little difficult to users and I am not sure if cap ls is so easy to users either
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[20:07:11] <Mikaela> that network with I have burnoer actually had Atheme SASL enabled, but not InspIRCd and tens of other similar issues
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[20:07:33] <Adam> theres probably never a way to know unless you send AUTHENTICATE whatever
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[20:07:35] <Adam> and get back a reply
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[20:07:39] <Adam> for sure
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[20:08:18] <Mikaela> Limnoria is IRC bot and I guess most of our users don't bother reading messages.log or console output on whether it succeeds with SASL or not
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[20:08:52] <Mikaela> it supports PLAIN, EXTERNAL and ECDSA (which was added by grawity)
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[20:14:29] <Mikaela> Does https://github.com/mmb/weechat-otr/pull/115 look correct to you?
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[20:15:01] <Adam> yea
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[20:15:06] <Mikaela> :)
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[20:15:13] <Adam> you could add athemes other stuff there
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[20:15:18] <Adam> gameserv and w\e
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[20:15:24] <Adam> groupserv
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[20:15:46] <Adam> is it smart enough to /whois them and see what server they are on
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[20:15:48] <Adam> and then act based on that
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[20:16:02] <Mikaela> Atheme has too many different services for me to remember and I think I will do that later when I can go through the example config file. That is why I don't close the issue #114
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||||||
[20:16:37] <Mikaela> I don't think they are enough intelligent for that and as the services server is changeable it should probably use the services numberic, but I don't think it's intelligent enough to do that and I have no coding skills to make it do that
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[20:17:05] <Adam> it almost always starts with "services."
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[20:17:28] <Adam> or contains it
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[20:17:30] <Adam> might be "ircservices."
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[20:17:56] <Mikaela> but for example I could be evil and change it to "palvelut." (which is services. in Finnish), I don't think that is working alternative
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[20:18:15] <Adam> well thats not whats in the default config files
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[20:18:16] <Adam> which is what people use
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[20:19:49] <Mikaela> the default is services.int with Atheme, I have no idea on Anope and people usually change it to include their network and just because it's the default isn't reason enough to assume that it's always the default
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[20:20:04] <Adam> ive been doing this a long time
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[20:20:12] <Adam> 99.9% of the time it starts with services.
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[20:20:41] <Mikaela> I don't think ignoring that 0.1% is OK
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[20:21:06] <Mikaela> oh and the negative Anope discussion seems to be going on different channel than #atheme and it probably startd from my comments
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[20:21:19] <Adam> im sure
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</pre>
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||||||
## Other bothering behaviour
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||||||
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||||||
* This can probably be considered as misunderstanding etc.
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||||||
but these things bother me.
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<pre class="irclog">
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2015-02-22.log-[16:11:58] <SaberUK> if you are using inspircd add <include file="conf/aliases/anope.conf.example"> to your inspircd config
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:13:49] <Verbat> i'm using unreal
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:14:11] <Moot> -> include "aliases/anope.conf";
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2015-02-22.log-[16:15:17] <Verbat> just did added that but it doesnt seem to work....
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:15:22] <Verbat> just added*
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||||||
2015-02-22.log:[16:17:28] <Mikaela> Verbat: which IRC client are you using and have you told it to send unknown commands to server (if applicable)?
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2015-02-22.log-[16:17:49] <Verbat> i'm using mIRC
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:18:09] <Verbat> 7.34
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:18:16] <Verbat> what is "send unknown commands to server (if applicable)"? :)
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||||||
2015-02-22.log:[16:18:42] <Mikaela> some IRC clients don't send unknown commands to server by default and need manual configuring. I have no idea about mIRC
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||||||
2015-02-22.log:[16:19:12] <Mikaela> WeeChat requires "/set irc.network.send_unknown_commands on" before /ns and all work and irssi requires dispatch.pl
|
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:19:38] <Moot> Verbat it should work with mIRC
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||||||
2015-02-22.log:[16:19:50] <Mikaela> does "/quote ns help" or "/raw ns help" work?
|
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||||||
2015-02-22.log:[16:19:52] <Mikaela> if they do, mIRC is not sending the command, if they don't, something is wrong with your config
|
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:19:53] <Adam> it works with mirc, clearly he is not using either
|
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:20:18] <Verbat> brb sec :)
|
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||||||
2015-02-22.log:[16:20:39] <Adam> Mikaela explaining unnecessary stuff like that to people usually ends up just confusing them more than anything else
|
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:20:44] <Adam> to new people
|
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||||||
2015-02-22.log:[16:22:01] <Mikaela> I haven't talked with any mIRC user how it behaves with unknown commands and I was wondering if mIRC is capturing the command while everything else works wit
|
|
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hout issues. I am not sure what is the official way of explaining "sending unknown commands to server"
|
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2015-02-22.log-[16:24:36] <Jobe> typically mIRC sends unknown commands to the server, the exception is for commands mIRC handles internally either by custom script or its own code
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2015-02-22.log-[16:25:32] <Adam> you two should take this conversation elsewhere
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2015-02-22.log-[16:30:45] *** Joins: Florian (Florian@teranova-896pv6.hsi12.unitymediagroup.de)
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2015-02-22.log-[16:31:20] <Florian> Spricht hier einer zufällig Deutsch?
|
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||||||
2015-02-22.log-[16:37:03] <ctcp> i speak a litle Florian
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||||||
</pre>
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|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<pre class="irclog">
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log-[14:52:25] <Moot> Hello, I don't receive any confirmation saying the memo was sent when I use the 'STAFF' option... But it's send and people receive it. Is it normal?
|
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||||||
2015-03-01.log-[15:16:13] <DukePyrolator> hmm, there is no code for it in the module. so its not a bug. its a missing feature :-)
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||||||
2015-03-01.log-[15:16:21] <Moot> yes i saw it
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log-[15:16:31] <Moot> i compared both codes m_send and m_staff
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log-[15:16:39] <Moot> can you add it to.. suggestions? :P
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log:[16:13:14] <Mikaela> what is the maximum password length? I am just told that the password is too long and told to use shorter one, but nothing on how much shorter
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log:[16:13:53] <Mikaela> 100 is too long, 50 is too long
|
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||||||
2015-03-01.log:[16:14:30] <Mikaela> 25 went through, but it would be nice to know how long it can be
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log-[16:16:58] <LEthaLity> I'm tempted to guess something around 32, can't remember without checking
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log-[16:19:01] <LEthaLity> yeah 32, probably because of previous issues with hashing and storage
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log-[16:19:47] *** Quits: Milliways (aircpp@teranova-ved6jh.tn.glocalnet.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
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||||||
2015-03-01.log-[16:19:56] <LEthaLity> you can change it in nickserv.conf though, look for passlen
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log:[16:20:41] <Mikaela> it seems that I am opening an issue
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log:[16:26:41] <Mikaela> it's now at https://bugs.anope.org/view.php?id=1639 , I hope I am understandable
|
|
||||||
2015-03-01.log:[16:27:29] <Mikaela> I must change that issue tracker to English, because that Finnish translation uses weird words that say nothing to me when thinking about bug tracking
|
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||||||
2015-03-01.log-[16:41:14] <Adam> we don't need to know that, though
|
|
||||||
</pre>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## Sorcerynet and the top secret IRCd change
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
**TRIGGER WARNING: suicidality**
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|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* It's 2015-03-03 and I am being suicidal, because real life issues
|
|
||||||
(school, gatekeeping, depression etc.) and I am looking for peer support
|
|
||||||
channel for asexual people.
|
|
||||||
* Update on 2015-03-25: for more information about these real life
|
|
||||||
issues or the biggest ones, plase see [this post.]({% post_url 2015-03-25-leaving-bots-life %})
|
|
||||||
* I find one and connect to network that I have never heard about and
|
|
||||||
join the channel and it seems nice one. Sadly the network is controlled
|
|
||||||
by Anope developers (even if I thought they were just at Teranova) and
|
|
||||||
I am immediately accused of connecting there just, because they are
|
|
||||||
doing top secret IRCd change from their Charybdis fork to InspIRCd.
|
|
||||||
* Moving to InspIRCd is actually a good thing and it's my IRCd of choice
|
|
||||||
currently and it also supports IRCv3 which is basic requirement for me
|
|
||||||
nowadays.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<pre class="irclog">
|
|
||||||
[15:58:02] <Adam> how did you find sorcerynet?
|
|
||||||
[15:58:53] <Adam> eg, what made you join it
|
|
||||||
[16:58:03] <Mikaela> why do you ask?
|
|
||||||
[17:13:42] <Adam> oh I thought I did a pretty good job not telling anyone about it
|
|
||||||
[17:14:14] <Adam> though they did announce it on their mailing list apparently but I dont think anyone reads that :o
|
|
||||||
[17:15:01] <Mikaela> telling probably cannot hurt as I am already suicidal and no one can hurt me anymore
|
|
||||||
[17:15:20] <Mikaela> sorcerynet has the largest LGBTIQ channel that you find using IRC search engines with query "asexual"
|
|
||||||
[17:15:46] <Adam> huh
|
|
||||||
[17:16:11] <Adam> youre not a user of the network, you only registered 2 days ago
|
|
||||||
[17:16:16] <Adam> you are there because of the ircd migration
|
|
||||||
[17:16:48] <Mikaela> no, I am there, because there is LGBTIQ channel which so far seems active and not too insane
|
|
||||||
[17:18:08] <Mikaela> https://search.mibbit.com/search/asexual http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/?chat=asexual
|
|
||||||
[17:18:15] <Adam> I find that too much of a coincidence to believe it, so
|
|
||||||
[17:18:16] <Adam> sorry
|
|
||||||
[17:18:44] <Mikaela> do you have something personally against me?
|
|
||||||
[17:18:56] <Adam> no but I have something against anyone affiliated with atheme
|
|
||||||
[17:19:32] <Adam> a number of years ago we moved sorcery to anope off of their custom services package and we took hell from atheme from it, was bad, its the main reason nenolod hates me now
|
|
||||||
[17:19:43] <Adam> am trying to avoid a repeat on this move to inspircd which I am sure he will detest
|
|
||||||
[17:20:20] <Adam> it certainly was the main falling out betweeen us, before that we talked sometimes
|
|
||||||
[17:21:08] <Adam> the move was only announced on the 27th
|
|
||||||
[17:22:18] <Mikaela> can I ask to join #FILTERED there and ask them about me?
|
|
||||||
[17:22:28] <Adam> so you can understand atheme people appearing out of nowhere there makes me uneasy, i thought I had done a good job not mentioning it anywhere that might bring attention
|
|
||||||
[17:22:30] <Mikaela> or would grepped logs of me be enough?
|
|
||||||
[17:23:34] <Adam> fine if its totally unrelated them im sorry i jumped to the wrong conclusion
|
|
||||||
[17:24:15] <Mikaela> you are insane
|
|
||||||
[17:24:15] <Mikaela> <EXPIRED PASTE> grepping me
|
|
||||||
[17:24:22] <Adam> it would help if the first thing you said in #square wasn't of the "because it doesn't work how I personally think it does, it is wrong" logic
|
|
||||||
[17:24:31] <Adam> (10:26:06) < Mikaela> is it known issue that SASL EXTERNAL doesn't work? CertFP seems to work though and SASL PLAIN didn't error
|
|
||||||
[17:24:46] <Adam> the ircd was written prior to sasl external existing
|
|
||||||
[17:24:49] <Adam> it certainly is not an "issue"
|
|
||||||
[17:24:53] <Adam> it is simply not implemented
|
|
||||||
[17:25:21] <Adam> I imagine it will come about whenever it is switched to inspircd since that does support it afaik
|
|
||||||
[17:25:23] <Mikaela> I am not familiar with your IRCd at all and I only assumed SASL EXTERNAL would work, because I am aware of it being always enabled with Anope like SASL PLAIN is
|
|
||||||
[17:26:49] <Adam> then you should instead ask if sasl external is supported, perhaps
|
|
||||||
[17:27:06] <Adam> instead of assuming it is and because it doesnt work for you, there is a problem somewhere.
|
|
||||||
[17:27:16] <Mikaela> freenode is the only place ever where I have seen certfp without SASL EXTERNAL
|
|
||||||
[17:27:22] <Adam> btw the ircd is a fork of charybdis 3.2, so, its largly not even our stuff
|
|
||||||
[17:27:38] <Adam> they have an older ircd, too
|
|
||||||
[17:28:00] <Mikaela> if you want more <EXPIRED PASTE>
|
|
||||||
[17:28:31] <Adam> at the time charybdis didn't support sasl external, so its just not there. most networks don't proactively try and always sit on the latest versions of stuff
|
|
||||||
[17:28:45] <Adam> change is hard
|
|
||||||
[17:29:12] <Mikaela> I think I am suicidal enough to give logs of this discussion to kaniini when this is over
|
|
||||||
[17:31:16] <Adam> I really dont follow
|
|
||||||
[17:32:36] <Adam> are you afraid of me telling people youre lgbt?
|
|
||||||
[17:32:45] <Adam> (10:15:02) <Mikaela> telling probably cannot hurt as I am already suicidal and no one can hurt me anymore
|
|
||||||
[17:33:12] <Mikaela> no, telling the reason why I went there
|
|
||||||
[17:33:20] <Adam> oh
|
|
||||||
[17:33:37] <Adam> Ive known this for longer than youve known who I was
|
|
||||||
[17:33:37] <Mikaela> you haven't been very nice towards me, our first meeting that I remeber was kban from #anope without me een saying anything
|
|
||||||
[17:33:39] <Adam> I really dont care
|
|
||||||
[17:33:41] <Adam> what you are
|
|
||||||
[17:36:02] <Adam> anyway as I said if this is all just a weird coincidence then sorry I guess
|
|
||||||
[17:36:13] <Adam> you must amit though, some coincidence
|
|
||||||
[17:36:42] <Mikaela> very coincidence that you are always attacking me everywhere
|
|
||||||
[17:37:04] <Adam> well, youre appearing everywhere I am
|
|
||||||
[17:39:02] <Adam> also I hardly attacked you i simply asked why you joined the network
|
|
||||||
[17:39:08] <Adam> on #anope yes sure, but not here
|
|
||||||
[17:39:47] <Mikaela> simply asked why I joined the network and then claim that I haven't joined there with the reason I have, but think that I am there just for IRCd migration
|
|
||||||
[17:40:00] <Adam> i assumed you had yes
|
|
||||||
[17:40:19] <Adam> didnt occur to me there could possibly be any other reason
|
|
||||||
[17:43:16] <Adam> I guess if you were around the last time I did something like this with sor maybe youd undersatnd more what I was trying to prevent, sigh
|
|
||||||
[17:43:19] <Adam> anyway sorry, bye
|
|
||||||
</pre>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## The last straw
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* Correction: I am only on one network using Anope, Sorcerynet which was
|
|
||||||
mentioned earlier and I am expecting Anope developers who control it to
|
|
||||||
ban me from there as that would be their style as that would be their
|
|
||||||
style.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<pre class="irclog">
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/fb17bc85ead8c1be6ebe1561f77865f083fdc000
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> Redesign m_ldap to no longer rely on undefined behavior
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> Accessing the same LDAP* from multiple threads at once is always
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> undefined, even if one thread is just polling ldap_result.
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> Instead keep one thread per connection and issue blocking queries on the
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> thread.
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Strip color codes when looking up fantasy commands. | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/a899c04ec20bb85a0af994c3e7dfd80686cbef2b
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Hide set desc because set description exists | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/b67963353fee302e08aebc566dbf61d84407940f
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Remove cloak prior to applying vhost in insp20 fhost handler | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/dc58239c8a4222cfc97d06f91574417446fe8e55
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Normalize masks given to cs_ban, use entry to match them against users | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/c3cc5804c32f423d4017a825300d926895ef64ed
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Normalize masks given to cs_kick, use entry to match them against users | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/3f093d708f198c105e9ac528436a78d4246b8273
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Make cs_clone behave closer to how the help describes it | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/78bff86dab32dc484164e5da8a535b3ec24c5c03
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Allow cs clone to clone levels too | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/310e95a92e64a9546247fe57d4643328fa4ebe9b
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Peter Tseng 2.0: https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/bf727285bcf7c7c95c2b2b43faa3d1fa13bad6fb
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> SendConfirmMail: Replace %E with new email
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> The old mailer message said the user is changing email "to %e", which is
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> changing TO the OLD email. But instead, the user is actually changing
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> the email to the new email.
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> We could change %e to be the new email, but maybe some users of Anope
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> have already configured their messages to assume %e is the old email. So
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> instead, add a new %E that is replaced with the new email.
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Only matches sqlines against channels if they begin with a # | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/92920f5a1c8866c8e26e1608f0feb3e3e54c8dd2
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Show passlen in PASSWORD_TOO_LONG | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/c5ff7c686837afbb854aa6546ade3aa8c86a1cd1
|
|
||||||
[14:15:14] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: Document that m_ldap_authentication:disable_register_reason blocks grouping | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/32c4908c8ce33a0b0c23fa05249db9aa5c47635c
|
|
||||||
[14:15:19] <Botox> anope: Adam- commented on issue #90: Support for cloning ChanServ levels between channels - Link: https://github.com/anope/anope/pull/90
|
|
||||||
[14:15:19] <Botox> anope: I have applied this myself in 310e95a92e64a9546247fe57d4643328fa4ebe9b
|
|
||||||
[14:15:20] <Botox> anope: Adam- closed PR #90 on 2.0: Support for cloning ChanServ levels between channels - Link: https://github.com/anope/anope/pull/90
|
|
||||||
[14:15:32] <Botox> anope: Adam- closed PR #111 on 2.0: Correct wrong XML response tag - Link: https://github.com/anope/anope/pull/111
|
|
||||||
[14:15:32] <Botox> anope: Sebastian Barfurth 2.0: Correct wrong XML response tag | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/474cd7a99b13a0779205096cb4df43582d9418e6
|
|
||||||
[14:15:32] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/03f05d3948e71d1547e618539214ffcca8f52cae
|
|
||||||
[14:15:32] <Botox> Merge pull request #111 from aFreshMelon/fix-xmlrpc-response
|
|
||||||
[14:15:32] <Botox> Correct wrong XML response tag
|
|
||||||
[14:15:38] <Botox> anope: Adam- closed PR #107 on 2.0: - Misc updates to the hybrid protocol modules: - Link: https://github.com/anope/anope/pull/107
|
|
||||||
[14:15:39] <Botox> anope: miwob 2.0: https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/76337bc04ac0072019cd3025da55eecd6692490f
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[14:15:39] <Botox> - Misc updates to the hybrid protocol modules:
|
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[14:15:39] <Botox> - best supported version is 8.2.x
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[14:15:39] <Botox> - fixed UID message handler to cope with account names being '*'
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[14:15:39] <Botox> - minium required TS version is TS6 now
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[14:15:39] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/e030771cbcc947b34d264df9b200b4985bd226b6
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||||||
[14:15:39] <Botox> Merge pull request #107 from miwob/master+misc-hybrid-changes
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[14:15:39] <Botox> - Misc updates to the hybrid protocol modules:
|
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||||||
[14:15:45] <Botox> anope: miwob 2.0: - Update SendClientIntroduction() to use * for account names instead of 0 | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/abe232601b05fc78ae1c419165e4075b5690052c
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[14:15:45] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/69c18f131fb7622f943c2a163090f390596af12f
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||||||
[14:15:45] <Botox> Merge pull request #106 from miwob/master+SendClientIntroduction
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[14:15:45] <Botox> - Update SendClientIntroduction() to use * for account names instead of ...
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[14:15:45] <Botox> anope: Adam- closed PR #106 on 2.0: - Update SendClientIntroduction() to use * for account names instead of ... - Link: https://github.com/anope/anope/pull/106
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[14:15:49] <Botox> anope: Adam- closed PR #105 on 2.0: - Change SendForceNickChange() to use UIDs - Link: https://github.com/anope/anope/pull/105
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||||||
[14:15:50] <Botox> anope: miwob 2.0: - Change SendForceNickChange() to use UIDs | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/6ada3ec87180df159a2d55634a1972611f7fe62a
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||||||
[14:15:50] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/64781817acf702507fa09d7648bdea593bd269f1
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||||||
[14:15:50] <Botox> Merge pull request #105 from miwob/master+use-uid-for-svsnick
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||||||
[14:15:50] <Botox> - Change SendForceNickChange() to use UIDs
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[14:15:59] <Botox> anope: Adam- closed PR #99 on 2.0: Added kickcheck override for users with protected privs - Link: https://github.com/anope/anope/pull/99
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||||||
[14:16:00] <Botox> anope: H7-25 2.0: Added kickcheck override for users with protected privs | https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/61a8dd57f7984194dc453ef56b5b05c957aedd8b
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||||||
[14:16:00] <Botox> anope: Adam 2.0: https://github.com/anope/anope/commit/8d3fa47ab2ec9719cbbdda55c95af962aaf5138e
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||||||
[14:16:00] <Botox> Merge pull request #99 from H7-25/extemp_protected
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||||||
[14:16:00] <Botox> Added kickcheck override for users with protected privs
|
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[14:16:28] <mooncup> someone's been a busy boy
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[14:18:12] *** Quits: Obi_Wan[-offline-] (Obi_Wan@teranova-dk56ti.rz.st-city.net) (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
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[14:21:45] <Mikaela> Does the message when you attempt to group now say that grouping is disabled or was just config file changed? If only config file was changed, I don't think that the issue is fixed
|
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[14:22:04] <Adam> Look at the diff.
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[14:22:21] <Mikaela> the diff looked only config file change to me if it was the correct diff
|
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[14:22:34] <Adam> then thats what happened
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||||||
[14:22:42] <Mikaela> then the issue is not resolved to me
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[14:23:32] <Adam> well, I think it is because the default message currently explains as much as it needs to
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[14:23:40] <Adam> registration is disabled, see some website
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||||||
[14:24:04] <Mikaela> The default message says that registration is disabled and instructs going to some website which says nothing about grouping.
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[14:24:14] <Adam> yes
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||||||
[14:24:22] <Adam> grouping is understood to be registering
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||||||
[14:24:45] <Mikaela> And the issue is that users think that they only want to connect nick to account, not register a new account so it's unclear that grouping is not possible and this is what the issue is about
|
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||||||
[14:25:13] <Adam> "registration" is not defined as registering a new account
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||||||
[14:25:24] <Adam> it can
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||||||
[14:25:32] <Adam> but, it means nick registration, which is what group does
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|
||||||
[14:25:34] <Adam> so the message is correct
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||||||
[14:25:39] <Mikaela> Average user would define it as registering a new account
|
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||||||
[14:25:52] <Adam> I dont think so
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||||||
[14:26:13] <Adam> Remember anope is targeted at anope users, and not at atheme users who file bugs at us for fun
|
|
||||||
[14:26:55] <Mikaela> I consider myself as Anope user, because I am on two networks that use Anope and I am unable to select what services packages those networks use
|
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||||||
[14:26:56] <Adam> just because your opionion says it means something, doesnt change history, and doesnt change how its worked until well technically last year, but still 2.0 still has many nick centric behaviors in it
|
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||||||
[14:27:05] <Adam> well, you aren't one
|
|
||||||
[14:27:30] <Mikaela> Would it be impossible to say "Please note that grouping is disabled when ldap is used?" with better wording
|
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||||||
[14:28:08] <Adam> I could say "registration and grouping" is disabled but that is redundant and ive previously explained
|
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||||||
[14:28:35] <Adam> i suppose I could change it and people who read it would learn hey maybe they are not the same
|
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||||||
[14:28:38] <Adam> but
|
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||||||
[14:28:44] <Adam> I dont want to
|
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||||||
</pre>
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|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## My contributions to Atheme and IRCv3
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
What I consider as contribution here is IRC support, git commits and
|
|
||||||
issue reporting/commenting.
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|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* I haven't been IRC support to either and IRCv3 just writes documentation.
|
|
||||||
* Git commits:
|
|
||||||
* Atheme: https://github.com/atheme/atheme/commits?author=Mikaela
|
|
||||||
* "No commits found"
|
|
||||||
* IRCv3: https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/commits?author=Mikaela
|
|
||||||
* Oh, it looks like I am wrong. I have done two commits, using
|
|
||||||
singular they in place of `he/she` and added [Limnoria] to the
|
|
||||||
list of IRCv3.1 compliant bots. I am [Limnoria] contributor, but
|
|
||||||
Anope developers have never mentioned it.
|
|
||||||
* Issue tracker:
|
|
||||||
* Atheme: https://github.com/atheme/atheme/issues?q=author:Mikaela &
|
|
||||||
https://github.com/atheme/atheme/issues?q=mentions%3AMikaela+
|
|
||||||
* nothing special visible
|
|
||||||
* IRCv3: https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/issues?q=author:Mikaela & https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/issues?q=mentions%3AMikaela+
|
|
||||||
* nothing so special here either unless you count [SASL REAUTH](https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/issues/103)
|
|
||||||
and as I say there, I only opened it because no one else was
|
|
||||||
doing it (and everyone was complaining about it everywhere).
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[Limnoria]:https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria/
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## What would I use instead?
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
At the time of writing I would use Atheme until it stops releasing security
|
|
||||||
updates **OR** start using Shalture (which I also started translating to
|
|
||||||
Finnish, but lost motivation) **when** it starts relesing stable releases.
|
|
||||||
@ -1,55 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "My ZNC config"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [irc, english]
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Some time ago I thought that I could write about this (or at least my
|
|
||||||
issue tracker has open issue about this and as I am not sleeping, I can
|
|
||||||
probably write about this...)
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
My ZNC config after installation is the following:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* Skin: forest
|
|
||||||
* Global modules:
|
|
||||||
* adminlog
|
|
||||||
* block_motd
|
|
||||||
* certauth
|
|
||||||
* chansaver
|
|
||||||
* fail2ban
|
|
||||||
* lastseen
|
|
||||||
* log `-sanitize $USER/$NETWORK/$WINDOW/%Y-%m-%d.log`
|
|
||||||
* playback
|
|
||||||
* privmsg
|
|
||||||
* webadmin
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
And on user level
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* Modules
|
|
||||||
* alias
|
|
||||||
* autoreply
|
|
||||||
* cert
|
|
||||||
* controlpanel
|
|
||||||
* ctcp_notifier
|
|
||||||
* ctcpflood
|
|
||||||
* disconkick
|
|
||||||
* listcokets
|
|
||||||
* perform
|
|
||||||
* send_raw
|
|
||||||
* shell
|
|
||||||
* Channel modes: +stn
|
|
||||||
* Buffer size: 50
|
|
||||||
* [x] Multi Clients
|
|
||||||
* [x] Prepend Timestamps
|
|
||||||
* [x] Admin
|
|
||||||
* Try to parse as UTF-8 and as ISO-8859-15, send as UTF-8 (recommended)
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I don't use "Auto Clear Chan Buffer" or "Auto Clear Query Buffer", because
|
|
||||||
I use the playback module on phone and on my 24/7 WeeChat I have
|
|
||||||
`clientbuffer` which is same as those two options set to single client.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Don't see any sense in this post? Me neither, don't worry, I wonder what
|
|
||||||
was my original reason for adding this to my issue tracker...*
|
|
||||||
@ -1,34 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "New biography"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english]
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I felt like my biography (that less than 140 characters thing you see at
|
|
||||||
all my profiles) had been unchanged for some time and had some issues, so
|
|
||||||
I changed it.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
> \#GirlsLikeUs ♥ AS ♥ Feminist 🂱 Linux user since 2008 ♥ she/her/hers
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* [For #GirlsLikeUs, please see here.](http://janetmock.com/2012/05/28/twitter-girlslikeus-campaign-for-trans-women/)
|
|
||||||
* AS, I am person with Asperger's Syndrome.
|
|
||||||
* Feminist shouldn't need opening, but it's explained in my [about page].
|
|
||||||
* I am romantic asexual and even if your browser or whatever service you
|
|
||||||
use to see my profile doesn't show the [Ace of Hearts], you see that I
|
|
||||||
am Feminist using Linux which I also am.
|
|
||||||
* I cannot assume people to know which pronouns to use as even if I am
|
|
||||||
trans woman, I could have strong preference to some other pronouns
|
|
||||||
such as [singular they](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they).
|
|
||||||
* *I am OK with all gender neutral pronouns with the exception of
|
|
||||||
s/he or (s)he or similar which just attmpt merging binary genders
|
|
||||||
together.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[about page]:../../../../about.html
|
|
||||||
[Ace of Hearts]:http://www.asexuality.org/wiki/index.php?title=Asexual_slang#Ace
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
UPDATE: I forgot to explain why the hearts as separator. What else would
|
|
||||||
I use? I think they look nicer than commas and I think the 🂱 fits better
|
|
||||||
with them. And as example of service which doesn't like 🂱 try [Twitter.](https://twitter.com/Inaneierase)
|
|
||||||
@ -1,37 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "Note to self on partitioning"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english]
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
This post is mainly for me to document this. I usually have only / and
|
|
||||||
/home partitions (swapfile is on /), but UEFI also requires separate
|
|
||||||
/boot/efi and it probably doesn't hurt to train myself into making it on
|
|
||||||
older device.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* /boot
|
|
||||||
* 512 MB [as recommended at ArchWiki](https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface&oldid=365720#EFI_System_Partition)
|
|
||||||
* FAT32
|
|
||||||
* doesn't need to be FAT32 unless /boot/efi is on same partition
|
|
||||||
and /boot/efi must be FAT32.
|
|
||||||
* /
|
|
||||||
* BTRFS
|
|
||||||
* /home
|
|
||||||
* BTRFS
|
|
||||||
* swap
|
|
||||||
* 1024 MB
|
|
||||||
* 1024 MB has been enough for me everywhere. The least amount of
|
|
||||||
RAM that I encounter is on my VPS which has 489 MB of RAM.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
BTRFS might not be ready for production, but my phone
|
|
||||||
([Jolla](https://jolla.com) uses it and I haven't had any more serious
|
|
||||||
issues than:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* Doesn't support swapfiles (that is why I have swap partition)
|
|
||||||
* Jolla: [BTRFS balancing is required sometimes](https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/)
|
|
||||||
* Laptop: when battery has ran out, [Antergos] has got stuck booting and
|
|
||||||
I have had to `btrfs check --repair /dev/sdX` (where X is / and /home
|
|
||||||
separately) before it starts booting again.
|
|
||||||
@ -1,51 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "ChatSpike-style IRC network management"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english, IRC]
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
ChatSpike is the IRC network that is home to InspIRC and you might have
|
|
||||||
heard about it and that it has many issues.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*I mainly focus on two issues that have bigger impact than some minor
|
|
||||||
issues like ancient services having small issue of letting anyone to login
|
|
||||||
as anyone without passwords or anything which still isn't fixed (only
|
|
||||||
workarounded), CertFP they managed to add long time ago.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
First between 2015-04-17 and 2015-04-18 ChatSpike upgraded their IRCd
|
|
||||||
which is a good thing, but they also updated their invalid SSL certificate
|
|
||||||
that was also expired without telling anyone.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Or actually they did tell about it, the upgrade was mentioned hour before
|
|
||||||
the servers restarted, but the SSL certificate change was only mentioned
|
|
||||||
in global notice after the upgrade and on website (without RSS feed).
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
What does this mean? Simply that all users using TLS and who actually
|
|
||||||
verified that they got the correct certificate (which was invalid and
|
|
||||||
expired) got disconnected and as their clients tried to connect, they only
|
|
||||||
encountered invalid certificate and thouht that something is wrong and
|
|
||||||
attempted reconnecting. This again hit flood protections adding network
|
|
||||||
wide ban of 24 hours.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Isn't everyone using TLS? They should, but there are always stupid clients
|
|
||||||
that don't care about certificate validity at all and there are also some
|
|
||||||
users who just blindly accept all certificates offered...
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
On the weekend 2015-05-09 and 2015-05-10 there was another SSL related
|
|
||||||
issue. SSL was disabled entirely making all ports plain text affecting
|
|
||||||
all users who use SSL regardless of whether they accept all certificates
|
|
||||||
or not.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
This issue was there around 20 hours until the ChatSpike operators managed
|
|
||||||
to reload the SSL module. Can you guess what happens next? Many SSL users
|
|
||||||
are banned for reconnecting too fast as "one does not simply SSL to plain
|
|
||||||
text port". So those users are banned for 24 hours unless the operators
|
|
||||||
decide to clear that ban list.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I have no idea what they are doing as I was banned from the
|
|
||||||
main (support) channel for being "destructive instead of constructive".
|
|
||||||
@ -1,119 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "umode +g part 2: Why I don't acknowledge your existense"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english, IRC, outing, trans, ace]
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*You might want to read this even if you don't have any idea what IRC is.
|
|
||||||
Why I am not reacting to your attempts to PM me if I don't know you?
|
|
||||||
Simple, all results are bad.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[See also umode +g part 1]({% post_url 2015-04-02-umodeg %})
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I had otherwise nice day yesterday, but then I returned home (living at
|
|
||||||
Kotka while being me is worse than death) and there were not-so-nice
|
|
||||||
things at IRC.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* ChatSpike IRC network had somehow broken itself and they have SSL ports
|
|
||||||
listening plain text, but I am not affiliated with them and it has
|
|
||||||
nothing to do with this, but I seem to be mentioning it anyway.
|
|
||||||
* Transphobic person had sent trans person after me for being in same
|
|
||||||
country and possibly being able to help (and interacting with them was
|
|
||||||
a mistake) which is why I won't acknowledge your PM attempts unless I
|
|
||||||
know you. I won't define "knowing", you can use your head for that.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
So I receive two PM attempts from someone I don't know and it gives me
|
|
||||||
three choices:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* ignore it like it didn't happen
|
|
||||||
* `/accept` which can lead me getting [harassed] which doesn't interest
|
|
||||||
freenode staffers.
|
|
||||||
* `/whois <the person>` and ask on common channel if any (this time
|
|
||||||
\#freenode).
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[harassed]:https://github.com/Mikaela/freenode-harassment
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
The third option seemed like the best possible, but was a disaster. First
|
|
||||||
I ask if there was some reason they wanted to PM me and:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
> Oh, I got to know your nickname on another network from some person who
|
|
||||||
saw I was a transgender-person Mikaela .
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Today it seems that I misunderstood the line badly
|
|
||||||
(that they knew me on other network) while being tired, but
|
|
||||||
why else mention "transgender" to me as PM attempt reason if I wasn't
|
|
||||||
trans.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Then many people start complaining to me about making private conversation
|
|
||||||
public ignoring that freenode staffers are infamous for their reaction to
|
|
||||||
any kind of harassment on their network so it's my fault for staying safe.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
***As should be common sense, don't talk about anyone else beloging to
|
|
||||||
gender or sexual minority, depending on which of them, they will get
|
|
||||||
interacted with differently ("trying to cheat other people that they are
|
|
||||||
another gender than they are"), violence, harassment, bullying or worse.***
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
At this point there was finally a little PMing to return to \#freenode
|
|
||||||
with even worse way longer time laterwhile I was preparing for bed and
|
|
||||||
I wasn't following IRC (which possibly was good thing in this case.)
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Everything below is from \#freenode*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
> I got your contact details from \<TRANSPHOBE\> in irc.pomf.se and that
|
|
||||||
person wanted to send greetings or something.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Please consider this blog post as return-greetings...*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
> I didn't know you were that young.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
> Something bad happened in Kotka in my life while other bad things were
|
|
||||||
happening in there so I made a connection that you might be some kind of
|
|
||||||
a key to fix some feelings left by that.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*I think I have talked about living at Kotka being worse than death at many
|
|
||||||
places, but no idea where you made that assumption.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
> And, if you like, you could go to the Mensa IQ-test in Helsinki when
|
|
||||||
you have the time. Guide on how to go there can be found at
|
|
||||||
http://www.mensa.fi/
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*this has what to do with anything? bullying because of autism? by the way,
|
|
||||||
other people are again complaining about the discussion which is natural
|
|
||||||
as there is no reason for it to belong to \#freenode.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
> And Mikaela, if you come out of being asexual, you could come to Rizon
|
|
||||||
to chat. #transbians is a good channel.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*I take this as acephobia, the chances of me becoming something else than
|
|
||||||
ace is probably same as sexual orientation of any other person changing...
|
|
||||||
Here I am also outed as ace and I already talked about that before with
|
|
||||||
great emphasis.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*One thing that happens to ace people when outed is often said to be
|
|
||||||
"corrective rape", as raping asexual person will surely make them straight
|
|
||||||
even if it won't work with other sexual minorities. Or does it cause mental
|
|
||||||
health issues and more fear towards sexuality? (note that ace people can
|
|
||||||
still have sex if they choose so and not everyone is repulsed by sex.
|
|
||||||
remember consent).*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Now you should know...
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* that you mustn't talk about someone else being gender or sexual minority
|
|
||||||
even if they are publicly out, let them tell by themselves if they choose
|
|
||||||
to do so. Other people have no need for that information, they only need
|
|
||||||
knowledge on your preferred pronouns (or they can use singular they or
|
|
||||||
other gender neutral pronoun)…
|
|
||||||
* that I am not going to talk to you in PM unless I know you and you should
|
|
||||||
use common sense for defining "knowing" and one real life example of what
|
|
||||||
can happen if I do talk to you.
|
|
||||||
* that I have more issues with trying to help other people now. I have nice
|
|
||||||
issues with it for example freenode's "feminist" channels (with the
|
|
||||||
quotes) and getting bullied for performing repair install to their PC
|
|
||||||
when it was failing to boot Windows and they were lost on what to do.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*[For (un)setting umodes, see this post.]({% post_url 2015-06-03-setting-umodes %})*
|
|
||||||
@ -1,103 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "My systemd-networkd setup"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english, systemd-networkd]
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*This is happy post so probably useless, but my blog is always so
|
|
||||||
unhappy… Anyway, systemd-networkd on my hosts.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I am running systemd-networkd on wired hosts as I am not so sure how it
|
|
||||||
works with wireless hosts and I am using network manager with WLAN
|
|
||||||
connections.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
The hosts mentioned here are
|
|
||||||
* Zaldaryn which runs Ubuntu MATE 15.04
|
|
||||||
* Rbtpzn which currently runs Antergos and is the oldest PC I have and
|
|
||||||
it's also the first one ever where I installed Ubuntu 8.04 in 2008.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
First you create network connection, I call them with the adapter name,
|
|
||||||
e.g. Rbtpzn has `/etc/systemd/network/enp0s18.network` and Zaldaryn
|
|
||||||
`/etc/systemd/network/eth0.network`.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
It appears that I have been experimenting with the two hosts, so the
|
|
||||||
files differ. Here is Zaldaryn which looks more proper or direct copy
|
|
||||||
from Arch Wiki:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
```
|
|
||||||
[Match]
|
|
||||||
Name=eth0
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[Network]
|
|
||||||
DNS=127.0.0.1
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[Address]
|
|
||||||
Address=172.16.1.6
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[Route]
|
|
||||||
Gateway=172.16.0.1
|
|
||||||
```
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
and Rbtpzn
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
```
|
|
||||||
[Match]
|
|
||||||
Name=enp0s18
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[Network]
|
|
||||||
Address=172.16.1.2/16
|
|
||||||
Gateway=172.16.0.1
|
|
||||||
# DNS has no effect unless systemd-resolved is used
|
|
||||||
# systemctl enable systemd-resolved && systemctl start systemd-resolved
|
|
||||||
# ln -sf /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
|
|
||||||
DNS=127.0.0.1
|
|
||||||
DNS=::1
|
|
||||||
DNS=8.8.4.4
|
|
||||||
NTP=pool.ntp.org
|
|
||||||
```
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
As you can see, they are quite different, Zaldaryn has everything neatly
|
|
||||||
separated and Rbtpzn has everything in the same block.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Match specifies which network interface is in question, Address is IP
|
|
||||||
address of the host. I am not sure where I took NTP and as the Rbtpzn block
|
|
||||||
says, you must use systemd-resolved for the DNS settings to do anything,
|
|
||||||
but that is easy, just run as root (or prefix all three commands
|
|
||||||
with `sudo`):
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*update on 2015-06-07: to use NTP, you use systemd-timesyncd which is
|
|
||||||
enabled with `timedatectl set-ntp true`.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
```
|
|
||||||
systemctl enable systemd-resolved && systemctl start systemd-resolved
|
|
||||||
ln -sf /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
|
|
||||||
```
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
The address can also have CIDR specified which probably should be done, but
|
|
||||||
it appears that systemd-networkd can guess it correctly as everything works
|
|
||||||
with Zaldaryn which doesn't have it specified.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I am also using `systemd-networkd-wait-online.service`
|
|
||||||
(`systemctl enable systemd-networkd-wait-online.service`) so
|
|
||||||
`network.target` means that I have IP address before boot continues.
|
|
||||||
<s>There is 90 second timeout, but I still don't feel like trying this with wireless host as I would have 90 seconds longer boot time in new
|
|
||||||
environments.</s>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Update on 2015-06-07: on wireless hosts I am using Network Manager and
|
|
||||||
it appears that `NetworkManager-wait-online.service`
|
|
||||||
(`systemctl enable NetworkManager-wait-online.service)` works well
|
|
||||||
and I shouldn't be in new environments so often that the 90 seconds timeout
|
|
||||||
would cause more harm than good.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Currently the only thing using network.target for me is Reflector service
|
|
||||||
from Archwiki which updates mirrorlist with the fastest last synced mirrors
|
|
||||||
on boot on Rbtpzn.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Sources/further reading
|
|
||||||
* https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-networkd
|
|
||||||
* http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.network.html
|
|
||||||
* https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/
|
|
||||||
* https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Reflector#Systemd_Service
|
|
||||||
@ -1,68 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "Trying to be a better op"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english, irc]
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*If ops are attacked, the channel is also hurt as much as if users were
|
|
||||||
attacked. Thus I am also taking action if op is attacked.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Usually when I am op, it's easy to take action when someone else or some
|
|
||||||
user is attacked. When op is attacked and they take action, they are
|
|
||||||
"unable to handle criticism" or "abusing ops" or *anything like that here.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
From now, I will try to unlearn from that and be a better op at least on
|
|
||||||
channels that have clear (written or not) rules as on channels that don't,
|
|
||||||
there possibly no way to know what the ops are even supposed to do other
|
|
||||||
than look so scary that no one does anything bad.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
There are only two issues that I see immediately now that I am typing this:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* What is an attack?
|
|
||||||
* What if it's not an attack and op makes a mistake?
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
The second is easy to answer, if there are multiple ops, the user affected
|
|
||||||
by the mistake can discuss about it with other ops present and/or the
|
|
||||||
other ops can revert whatever was done.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
But there is still the question *what is an attack*?
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Attack is a deliberate attempt to hurt someone* which again is unclear,
|
|
||||||
but so I am told and I must probably use my judgement on it which again
|
|
||||||
can results to mistakes, but those are reversible by other ops.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<s>Trying to analyze logs of the previous case this happened, it looks like
|
|
||||||
attack is at least:</s>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* <s>directly targeted to a person, not part of them, and not generally saying
|
|
||||||
that some part of them makes or doesn't make them X and neither it's
|
|
||||||
generally talking about that part and oneself own experiences of them.</s>
|
|
||||||
* <s>the *not*-parts still feel like attacks reading this, but other ops
|
|
||||||
say that it's assertiveness.</s>
|
|
||||||
* <s>talking about privilege for living in X where things are better and that
|
|
||||||
means that the attacked one cannot have any kinds of issues with anything</s>
|
|
||||||
<s>including mental health</s>
|
|
||||||
* <s>talking like the attacked one was attacking them</s>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* <s>*additions welcome*</s>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Attack seems to also be when the attacked one communicates being
|
|
||||||
uncomfortable (which should be done clearly, but do they always remember
|
|
||||||
that instead of getting defensive) or when third party tells the people to
|
|
||||||
calm down, but other party still continues. <s>I think the usual three
|
|
||||||
warnings policy can be implemented here.</s>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
One way to express uncomfortability or feeling attacked would be for
|
|
||||||
example saying "I think that is disrespectful" or "I feel you are attacking
|
|
||||||
me".
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Further reading would be the two policies from freenode and I currently
|
|
||||||
don't feel like commenting them further as my opinions are known.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* [Freenode's catalysts policy](https://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml)
|
|
||||||
* [Freenode's channel guidelines](https://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml)
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Reviewed on 2015-06-12T08:51+0300 based on what others commented to me.*
|
|
||||||
@ -1,43 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "Leaving IRCnet due to unwanted PMs and no way to filter them"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english, irc]
|
|
||||||
redirect_from: /ircnet.html
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*IRCnet is dying network, one of the first ones, and it has no centralized
|
|
||||||
management, so nothing new ever happens there.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I left IRCnet today because I have gotten enough unwanted PMs (Private
|
|
||||||
Messages). Mostly there was nothing bad in them, but I have long history
|
|
||||||
with IRC harassment so I get very anxious every time I receive a message
|
|
||||||
from sender I don't know or more importantly [have approved].
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* [freenode-harassment] - freenode staff had zero interest to doing
|
|
||||||
anything so I released the most troubling content.
|
|
||||||
* [ircassholes] - site where you can submit people who...
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[have approved]:{% post_url 2015-04-02-umodeg %}
|
|
||||||
[freenode-harassment]:https://github.com/Mikaela/freenode-harassment
|
|
||||||
[ircassholes]:http://ircassholes.tumblr.com/
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
There are also other missing features:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* [TLS (over IRC in this blog)] - Encrypted connection between you and the
|
|
||||||
server.
|
|
||||||
* Services - NickServ, ChanServ etc. NickServ allows nicks to be registered
|
|
||||||
so you can be sure that you talk to the person and not someone who
|
|
||||||
stole their nick for imposting and doing bad things as you. ChanServ
|
|
||||||
again allows channel registration and having access list so all ops
|
|
||||||
can always be opped automatically and voiced people voiced etc.
|
|
||||||
* [IRCv3] - Modernizing the IRC protocol with many improvements, such as
|
|
||||||
[away-notify] which makes server tell you every time someone on common
|
|
||||||
channel goes /away or returns. I mention this, because it decreases
|
|
||||||
bandwidth a lot as clients don't have to `/who`-poll to see which people
|
|
||||||
are away. Away-notify is also faster.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[TLS (over IRC in this blog)]:{% post_url 2015-04-22-IRC-over-TLS %}
|
|
||||||
[IRCv3]:http://ircv3.net/
|
|
||||||
@ -1,43 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "Hau/Mau"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [FAQ, frequently, asked, question, hau, dogs, finnish]
|
|
||||||
redirect_from:
|
|
||||||
- /hau.html
|
|
||||||
- /hai.html
|
|
||||||
- /mau.html
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*A frequently asked question: "what does hau mean?" To avoid repeating
|
|
||||||
myself, I will explain it here.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
"Hau" is what dogs "say" in Finnish (they also "say" some other things such
|
|
||||||
as "vuh").
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
At first I just greeted [Tessu] and family members by saying "hau" and then
|
|
||||||
it widened to IRC & elsewhere.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[Tessu]:https://mikaela.info/r/tessu
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
It cannot be any worse greeting than "hai" (below) which some people use.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<div class="centered"><em>Valkohai (Carcharodon carcharias) by Terry
|
|
||||||
Goss (CC BY 2.5) via <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:White_shark.jpg">WikiMedia</a>.</em></div>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[WikiMedia]:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:White_shark.jpg
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Update: add some point I started saying "mau" instead which is what
|
|
||||||
the cats say in Finnish, but why not as it only changes one letter.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*This is probably caused by the fact that I moved away from Tessu and
|
|
||||||
[Karou from the Daughter of Smoke & Bone](/r/karou) was very easy to
|
|
||||||
identify with in the first book.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1UNXMaNfiYA" allowfullscreen></iframe>
|
|
||||||
@ -1,62 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "How to private message people on Telegram without getting reported for spam"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [telegram, english, spam]
|
|
||||||
redirect_from: /telegramspam.html
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*This should be obvious, but is apparently not as at time of writing I have
|
|
||||||
blocked and reported around 95 people for spam.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*The number has been last updated on 2016-09-05.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## Rules applying to everyone
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* Ask for permission on group before messaging me or your message is spam.
|
|
||||||
* If you do message without permission, type your greeting and message on
|
|
||||||
the first line using proper English (or in my case Finnish).
|
|
||||||
* I am not going to read multiple lines of spam just to figure out if
|
|
||||||
it's spam or not.
|
|
||||||
* I am not native English speaker, so if the message consist entirely
|
|
||||||
of improper English, I have to decipher the message which might go
|
|
||||||
over my abilities which makes the message spam.
|
|
||||||
* If you request *please don't report me for spam*, that seals your message
|
|
||||||
as spam.
|
|
||||||
* If I express disinterest towards the discussion, forward you somewhere
|
|
||||||
else or say that I cannot help you, **stop!** Otherwise you become
|
|
||||||
spammer again.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
There are also other factors such as my mood, but if you follow these
|
|
||||||
instructions and don't ask anything [offensive](https://github.com/Mikaela/freenode-harassment/blob/master/spydar007/2015-01-12.query.log#L6),
|
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||||||
there is good chance that I or any reasonable person doesn't report you
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||||||
for spam.
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## If we know each other
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||||||
* The rules applying to everyone also apply to you.
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* If we know each other, I might not follow them so strictly.
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* Remember that I have facial blindness and bad name memory, so I
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||||||
might not recognize you leading to spam report.
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||||||
* If we have shared our phone numbers, the report spam button doesn't
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appear.
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|
|
||||||
## Further reading
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||||||
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|
||||||
* [Telegram spam FAQ](https://telegram.org/faq_spam) which Telegram
|
|
||||||
**should force new users to read** *in my opinion.*
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|
||||||
* The questions two and three are the most important in my opinion.
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|
||||||
* If you use your brains, you will see that this page is in line with
|
|
||||||
the spam FAQ, but tries to be more idiotproof.
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|
||||||
* If you do get your account limited (=prevented from contacting people
|
|
||||||
privately whose number you don't have and who doesn't have your number,
|
|
||||||
punishment from spamming), contact the
|
|
||||||
[spambot](https://telegram.me/spambot) instead of complaining on
|
|
||||||
groups..
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||||||
* Why I react so badly to spam or have written this (n addition to 30+ at
|
|
||||||
time of writing blocks and spam reports)
|
|
||||||
[part1](https://mikaela.info/english/2015/04/02/umodeg.html),
|
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||||||
[part2](https://mikaela.info/english/2015/05/10/umodeg2.html) &
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||||||
[request for Telegram that would decrease amount of spam reports](https://twitter.com/Inaneierase/status/719844660139700224).
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---
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layout: post
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comments: true
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title: "Why I use Telegram?"
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category: [english]
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tags: [english, IRC, Telegram, security, privacy]
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redirect_from: /whytelegram.html
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published: false
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||||||
---
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|
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||||||
*I get often asked why do I use Telegram even if it's known to have bad
|
|
||||||
crypto. The answer is that crypto doesn't always matter.*
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||||||
|
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||||||
***[Please read why I removed my Telegram account!]({% post_url 2016-09-29-why-not-telegram %})***
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||||||
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The main reason is usernames, I can take one and share it to people for
|
|
||||||
them to contact me instead of giving my phone number to everyone. This
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also applies to groups where people see only the name and optionally
|
|
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username, not the phone number (like at [WhatsApp] and possibly [Signal]).
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This makes [Telegram] somewhat more open version of [Slack] as anyone can
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|
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join public groups without being invited by email address, public link
|
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or invite link that group creator can get.
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||||||
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|
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[Telegram] also is cross-platform and welcomes third party clients unlike
|
|
||||||
[WhatsApp] and Signal (which gives me the impression of being a little more
|
|
||||||
transparent WhatsApp *[reason](https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165)*).
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|
||||||
The official clients are open source (but like Android the source code
|
|
||||||
always seems to be released some time after the release) and there are
|
|
||||||
unofficial clients for [Sailfish OS] and [Ubuntu Touch].
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
And back to the [bad crypto], I don't see what it matters if Telegram can
|
|
||||||
read the messages I send with cloud chat or attacker the secret chat
|
|
||||||
messages if the same groups there are on [Facebook] where [Facebook] can
|
|
||||||
read all the messages or the groups are [relayed to IRC] where most of
|
|
||||||
people sadly connect using plain text connection and send the plaintext
|
|
||||||
around the internet where anyone at correct position could read the
|
|
||||||
messages.
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|
||||||
|
|
||||||
If we compare [Telegram] to [IRC], [Telegram] immediately has the
|
|
||||||
advatance of being in groups/online receiving messages always since you
|
|
||||||
join the group. With [IRC] you would disconnect and join all the time when
|
|
||||||
you power off your devices unless you have took the time to learn using
|
|
||||||
shells (terminal multiplexer, CLI IRC client) or bouncers.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
It seems like IRC has very little requirements (without shell/bouncer), but
|
|
||||||
Telegram only requires phone number for logging in / registering and you
|
|
||||||
can do that on any client even [web.telegram.org](https://web.telegram.org)
|
|
||||||
and you see the same (not secret chat) messages on all clients. One could
|
|
||||||
argue that SMS verification is insecure, but you can enable two factor
|
|
||||||
authentication from the settings and enable password that you will always
|
|
||||||
be asked for in addition to the SMS/Telegram code.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
But what if you need the stronger crypto? If you only communicate with
|
|
||||||
Android/iOS users, [Signal] might work for you, if you also need to
|
|
||||||
communicate with Windows Phone users, you must probably use [WhatsApp]
|
|
||||||
where most of your family/friends most likely already are.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Most universal protocol would probably be [XMPP] and you can use e2e
|
|
||||||
encryption with it either by [OTR], [OpenPGP] or [OMEMO] where [OMEMO]
|
|
||||||
is at time of writing only supported by [Conversations], (Android-only,
|
|
||||||
[free on F-Droid](https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=conversations&fdid=eu.siacs.conversations))
|
|
||||||
and [Gajim], (cross-platform desktop client).
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*PS. I encourage using some of the other options instead of having very
|
|
||||||
private/secret dicussions on [Telegram] as it's always possible to give
|
|
||||||
your number or [XMPP] ID and send people to contact you there. If you need
|
|
||||||
XMPP ID, try [podupti.me](https://podupti.me/) where you will also get a
|
|
||||||
Diaspora\* account. (Note that not all pods have XMPP enabled, check the
|
|
||||||
services offered.)*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*PPS. I am somewhat unhappy with this post as it looks worse than I
|
|
||||||
imagined, but [improving pull requests are always welcome](https://github.com/Mikaela/mikaela.github.io/edit/master/_posts/2016-05-21-why-telegram.md).*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[WhatsApp]:https://www.whatsapp.com/
|
|
||||||
[Signal]:https://whispersystems.org/
|
|
||||||
[Slack]:https://slack.com/
|
|
||||||
[Telegram]:https://telegram.org/
|
|
||||||
[Sailfish OS]:https://github.com/Dax89/harbour-sailorgram
|
|
||||||
[Ubuntu Touch]:https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.telegram:
|
|
||||||
[Facebook]:https://facebook.com/
|
|
||||||
[IRC]:http://ircv3.net/
|
|
||||||
[XMPP]:https://xmpp.org/
|
|
||||||
[OTR]:https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/
|
|
||||||
[OpenPGP]:https://gnupg.org/
|
|
||||||
[OMEMO]:https://conversations.im/omemo/
|
|
||||||
[Conversations]:https://conversations.im/
|
|
||||||
[Gajim]:https://gajim.org/
|
|
||||||
[bad crypto]:http://security.stackexchange.com/a/49802
|
|
||||||
[relayed to IRC]:https://github.com/FruitieX/teleirc
|
|
||||||
@ -1,82 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "Telegram tweets where I refer often"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english, Telegram, tweets, private, messages, harassment]
|
|
||||||
redirect_from:
|
|
||||||
- /telegramtweets.html
|
|
||||||
- /telegram-tweets.html
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*I seem to have to tweet to Telegram often and as I refer to those tweets
|
|
||||||
often, why to not have them on single post which to update now and then?*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="fi"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/telegram">@telegram</a> Did my <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IRC?src=hash">#IRC</a>-style <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/callerid?src=hash">#callerid</a> suggestion ever get seen by anyone? I think it could reduce <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/spam?src=hash">#spam</a> (reporting). <a href="https://t.co/0bPdzmvpW4">pic.twitter.com/0bPdzmvpW4</a></p>— Mikaela Suomalainen (@Inaneierase) <a href="https://twitter.com/Inaneierase/status/719844660139700224">12. huhtikuuta 2016</a></blockquote>
|
|
||||||
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*The solution that could work...*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="fi"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Inaneierase">@Inaneierase</a> working on something along these lines, yes. Thanks.</p>— Telegram Messenger (@telegram) <a href="https://twitter.com/telegram/status/731871516254736390">15. toukokuuta 2016</a></blockquote>
|
|
||||||
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*This time they at least replied...*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="fi"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I wonder what is keeping those <a href="https://twitter.com/telegram">@Telegram</a> "who can message me" controls from getting implemented... <a href="https://t.co/YE3b1zygy5">pic.twitter.com/YE3b1zygy5</a></p>— Mikaela Suomalainen (@Inaneierase) <a href="https://twitter.com/Inaneierase/status/737334563186315264">30. toukokuuta 2016</a></blockquote>
|
|
||||||
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*No thanks, I am sex-repulsed asexual...*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="fi"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Your users have wide belief that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/women?src=hash">#women</a> are not allowed to be themselves and be without <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/harassment?src=hash">#harassment</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/telegram">@Telegram</a> . <a href="https://t.co/iIJtwU12MW">pic.twitter.com/iIJtwU12MW</a></p>— Mikaela Suomalainen (@Inaneierase) <a href="https://twitter.com/Inaneierase/status/737856333140140034">1. kesäkuuta 2016</a></blockquote>
|
|
||||||
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*If I could get 0,01€ every time this was said... My reported for spam
|
|
||||||
or blocked list is currently is 77 members long.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Just because I am a woman doesn't mean I am obligated to talk with you or
|
|
||||||
any of those dozens of other blocked people. Masculine presenting people
|
|
||||||
are always surprised when they hear of this phenomeon...*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="fi"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/telegram">@telegram</a> Why group foundership cannot be transferred either manually or automatically to some admin?</p>— Mikaela Suomalainen (@Inaneierase) <a href="https://twitter.com/Inaneierase/status/774572918206558208">10. syyskuuta 2016</a></blockquote>
|
|
||||||
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*There were the two Antergos groups that I had to remove in order to get
|
|
||||||
out of that poisonous environment, founder in one peer support group got
|
|
||||||
tired and removed the group after it was migrated elsewhere safely and
|
|
||||||
Finnish Ingress Cross Faction group was removed by the owner.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Atheme would manage this by allowing the founder to make someone else
|
|
||||||
founder or if the founder account was removed, moving the founder access to
|
|
||||||
whoever was marked as successor or had the highest flags.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*When someone removes their Telegram accounts, I have understood that the
|
|
||||||
groups stay, but everyone who was there at that moment becomes irreversibly
|
|
||||||
some kind of admin being able to remove everyone joining after that
|
|
||||||
moment.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="fi"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shouldn't you update your <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/changelogs?src=hash">#changelogs</a> always when you release, <a href="https://twitter.com/telegram">@Telegram</a> ? It's been over month and a few releases since the last update...</p>— Mikaela Suomalainen (@Inaneierase) <a href="https://twitter.com/Inaneierase/status/779662120724168704">24. syyskuuta 2016</a></blockquote>
|
|
||||||
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why I removed my <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Telegram?src=hash">#Telegram</a> account. Don't bother replying this one <a href="https://twitter.com/telegram">@Telegram</a> <a href="https://t.co/uxfXzmcZA4">https://t.co/uxfXzmcZA4</a></p>— Mikaela Suomalainen (@Inaneierase) <a href="https://twitter.com/Inaneierase/status/781473901863919616">September 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
|
|
||||||
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*The last edit on this page happened on 2016-09-29T15:47+0300 unless they
|
|
||||||
bother replying in which case I probably won't update this text which
|
|
||||||
I wrote before any replies. If you see Telegram reply below my text,
|
|
||||||
have updated this. I don't think I will get a reply based on their
|
|
||||||
earlier replying activity...*
|
|
||||||
@ -1,71 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "Why not Telegram or why I left it"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [english, Telegram, feminism]
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*You might have read my post on [why I use Telegram] or something else
|
|
||||||
about Telegram I have typed, so I guess I must also blog about why I
|
|
||||||
left.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[why I use Telegram]:{% post_url 2016-05-21-why-telegram %}
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* *Communication* - you might have seen [Telegram tweets] and how there
|
|
||||||
is only one tweet which they ever replied to. However they never
|
|
||||||
implemented any way to limit who can start those secret chats (that are
|
|
||||||
[insecure] by the way).
|
|
||||||
* *Changelogs* - when I write this, Telegram Desktop changelog lags
|
|
||||||
month behind the releases which there have been at least three.
|
|
||||||
* *Twisted version of FOSS* - They claim to be *Free Open Source Software*,
|
|
||||||
but they never released the source of the server side software and
|
|
||||||
they always release the source code long time after the client has
|
|
||||||
been released, even if I know Android does this too. The third party
|
|
||||||
clients suffer from the same issue, they say their code is stolen
|
|
||||||
to paid projects and thus they just stop releasing the code. As a side
|
|
||||||
issue they also don't use `git tag`.
|
|
||||||
* *Security* - you have surely seen someone comment that Telegram is
|
|
||||||
[insecure] and what do the founders do? They start attacking the person
|
|
||||||
saying that it's insecure instead of doing anything to the security
|
|
||||||
issues. The latest case was Pavel Durov vs Edward Snowden at Twitter.
|
|
||||||
* *Spam* - the topic I have written the most about. At Telegram there is
|
|
||||||
no way to control who can message you (you can only report them for
|
|
||||||
spam afterwards if you don't reply and that doesn't apply to their
|
|
||||||
"secret chats"). As I am a woman, I get messages from many men and my
|
|
||||||
block list was around 110 people at the time I removed my account. The
|
|
||||||
issue didn't get helped by removing username which is one big reason
|
|
||||||
to use Telegram and while I had username, it got worse when "Telegram
|
|
||||||
search engine" Intent.to listed me as a "channel or bot" which
|
|
||||||
apparently meant "dating bot" as my username was "Kissaela", I was
|
|
||||||
probably findable with the word "kiss".
|
|
||||||
* How other services have reslved this?
|
|
||||||
* IRCds generally have usermode +g preventing anyone from messaging
|
|
||||||
you unless you `/accept` them or give them permision to PM you
|
|
||||||
first.
|
|
||||||
* Matrix/Riot requires you to create a room for even messages
|
|
||||||
between two users and to message the person, you must invite
|
|
||||||
them to your new room. The invited user has a choice whether
|
|
||||||
to follow your invitation or refuse it.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[Telegram tweets]:{% post_url 2016-06-01-telegram-tweets %}
|
|
||||||
[insecure]:http://security.stackexchange.com/a/49802
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
How do you reach me now? I will be updating my SOME page to include IM
|
|
||||||
accounts or kill the chat page replacing it with contact page including
|
|
||||||
some kind of details on how to contact me (remember the PGP key that won't
|
|
||||||
be listed) hopefully keeping control on who can contact me. Whichever
|
|
||||||
I do, you will find the SOME or Contact page from top bar. It still needs
|
|
||||||
some thinking and I won't be updating this page.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I almost forgot, you can remove your Telegram account at
|
|
||||||
[Telegram.org/deactivate](https://telegram.org/deactivate) . You are asked
|
|
||||||
your phone number in international format and then security code sent t
|
|
||||||
*Telegram* and you are asked for optional feedback before leaving and
|
|
||||||
final confirmation. When you confirm, you are logged out of all Telegram
|
|
||||||
clients and your account is gone. However your groups stay as ghosts.
|
|
||||||
@ -1,100 +0,0 @@
|
|||||||
---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "Telegrams second chance"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [telegram, english, esperanto]
|
|
||||||
redirect_from: /telegram.html
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*I have blogged about Telegram a lot and I thought I would end it to
|
|
||||||
leaving it, but that didn't happen. However I MUST type about the
|
|
||||||
current situation I have with it.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
**TL;DR I don't recommend Telegram for anyone if you aren't forced to use
|
|
||||||
it and to protect myself I am not setting username. As I don't recommend
|
|
||||||
it, I am there only with my primary phone number (DO NOT SHARE IT), if
|
|
||||||
someone needs to contact me, use Matrix @Ciblia:matrix.org or Wire
|
|
||||||
(myname at myname dot info).**
|
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If you haven't read my blog previously, you might want to read the aspects
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of Telegram I have written about earlier:
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* [How to private message people on Telegram without getting reported for spam]({% post_url 2016-04-26-telegram-privatemessaging-people %})
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* Where I have Telegrams spam issue my issue and try to make it clear
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to its users that they are not behaving properly.
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* [Why I use Telegram?]({% post_url 2016-05-21-why-telegram %})
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* Where I talk about the positive aspects.
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* [Telegram tweets where I refer often]({% post_url 2016-06-01-telegram-tweets %})
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* The beginning (and end) with communication with Telegram developers.
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* I have also tweeted to [Wire] multiple times and I cannot
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remember any tweet that they haven't replied just as a
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side-note...
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* [Why to not use Telegram?]({% post_url 2016-09-29-why-not-telegram %})
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* Where I finally leave Telegram and talk about the negative aspects.
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*I also think I am not going to edit all of those posts and if you have a
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problem, feel free to send Pull Requests.*
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So in the previous episode I left Telegram (and after a long time briefly
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visited it again as there were problems with relaybot (which simply
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moved to another persons API key) but it was too stressful so I left
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almost immediately) and now after a long time I have returned there.
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I would have preferred avoiding it, but I started learning Esperanto on
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Sunday (20th) in the freenode channel (use ALIS) I was overspoken to
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returning there as
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[Telegram is very popular with Esperantists (link in Esperanto)](http://telegramo.org/).
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This brings me back Telegram issues where the only ones that I can affect
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are:
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* *Twisted version of FOSS*
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* As the app is open source even if the source is released long time
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after releases, it's in [F-Droid](https://f-droid.org/) which is
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Android app store for FOSS apps, which has compiled it (removing
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GCM support and possibly other propietary parts) I installed Telegram
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from there and I know the app which I am using is open source even
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if it lags long behind the Play Store version.
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* *Spam*
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* I don't set username (killing one of the only good things in
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Telegram) as that would allow anyone to contact me instead of only
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the people who have my number or are in common group with me.
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* I only join groups that I actually need to join avoiding bigger
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groups that might potentially be nice, but which would surely lure
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spammers. This is another good feature of Telegram killed.
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* This way to contact me you must have my number or be in common
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group and I might know which group the spammer is part of and
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in addition to reporting them for spam I can also report them
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to the group admin possibly getting them removed. I don't think
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Esperantists, SailfishOS fans or autists tolerate spamming.
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* * * * *
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Originally I was trying to be at Telegram using both phones (OnePlus3 &
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Jolla1), but people found it too confusing so I decided to kill the less
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private account to avoid confusion. It also makes the message that I
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don't support Telegram more clear, but makes contacting me more
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difficult for Telegram users who actually have something to say to me,
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but that is their problem. **Do NOT give my phone number to these
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people.**
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I think my primary communication protocol is currently
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[Matrix](https://matrix.org/) where I am
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[@Ciblia:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@Ciblia:matrix.org), but
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[IRC](/irc) isn't going anywhere either (especially thanks to
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[Matrixs IRC bridge](https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/208)).
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I have also started warming to [Wire] which doesn't require phone number
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(when registering using the [web or desktop apps](https://app.wire.com/)),
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seems to have better encryption than Telegram (which is not surprising)
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which is based on Signal and works on multiple devices without having to
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keep one connected all the time.
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[Wire]:https://wire.com/
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[WhatsApp]:https://whatsapp.com/
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[Signal]:https://whispersystems.org/
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@ -1,50 +0,0 @@
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---
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layout: post
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comments: true
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title: "OxygenOS missing notifications and how to get them back"
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category: [english]
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tags: [english, OxygenOS, Android, notifications]
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published: false
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---
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*Written for OxygenOS OP3_O2_Open_7 (community build), no idea if this
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happens on stable builds, but it will probably start happening there.*
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A few weeks ago I got annoyed by a new update which introduced "a smart
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background app killing mechanism" as after that I stopped receiving
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notifications. I tolerated it for some time and, as this is some time after
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|
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I returned to Telegram, I went to
|
|
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[r/OnePlus Telegram group](https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/4bucfp/introducing_the_official_roneplus_telegram_group/) asking for help after
|
|
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official support had had no idea on what is the issue.
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They immediately had the answer, open *Settings*, go to *Battery*,
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|
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touch the *three dots*, select *Aggressive doze & app hibernation* and
|
|
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disable *Enable aggressive doze & app hibernation*.
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|
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|
|
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> When this is enabled, doze will operate more aggressively. Background
|
|
||||||
> apps will automatically enter hibernation.
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|
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|
|
||||||
It might sound like a good idea, but it kills notifications from mostly
|
|
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all apps and I already use Greenify's Aggressive Doze which is just the
|
|
||||||
normal Android doze launched in a few minutes instead of a few hours
|
|
||||||
and it respects my whitelist.
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|
||||||
|
|
||||||
This might have fixed notifications as long as I started the apps after
|
|
||||||
booting at least once, but if I didn't start the app, I would miss
|
|
||||||
notifications until I started the app. I thought this was a bug and was
|
|
||||||
patiently waiting for fix, until accidentally finding out what is the
|
|
||||||
problem.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Open *Settings* again, go to *Apps* this time and there select the *wheel*
|
|
||||||
next to the three dots and under *Advanced* open *App auto-launch*. Disable
|
|
||||||
*App auto-launch* and reboot and be surprised when all notifications
|
|
||||||
work again!
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
> When you turn it on, the system will prevent these apps from launching in
|
|
||||||
> the background.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
This might also seem like a good idea, but I still have Greenify
|
|
||||||
hibernating apps that I don't care about enough to have them receiving
|
|
||||||
notifications all the time, but I would appreciate communication apps
|
|
||||||
to send notifications to me regardless of whether I open them after boot
|
|
||||||
by myself or not.
|
|
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@ -1,92 +0,0 @@
|
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---
|
|
||||||
layout: post
|
|
||||||
comments: true
|
|
||||||
title: "Getting support with Matrix"
|
|
||||||
category: [english]
|
|
||||||
tags: [Matrix, support, help]
|
|
||||||
redirect_from:
|
|
||||||
- /matrixhelp.html
|
|
||||||
- /matrixsupport.html
|
|
||||||
published: false
|
|
||||||
---
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
*Matrix has many clients and servers and other projects and finding the
|
|
||||||
right place to ask a question can be difficult.*
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I originally wanted to contribute this post to [official Matrix
|
|
||||||
documentation], but found it too difficult to fit myself into their
|
|
||||||
[documentation style guide], so I am typing this into my blog and linking
|
|
||||||
[here](/matrixhelp.html) while hoping for the [official Matrix documentation]
|
|
||||||
to replace this in the future.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[official Matrix documentation]:https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc
|
|
||||||
[documentation style guide]:https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.rst
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## General
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
The main Matrix room is `#matrix:matrix.org`, but it's a little busy and
|
|
||||||
it can be easier to ask in more specific room where you are often directed
|
|
||||||
to. It's bridged to `#matrix` at freenode.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## Clients
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Riot support lives in three rooms depending on your platform:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* `#riot:matrix.org` is for Riot Web/Desktop.
|
|
||||||
* `#riot-android:matrix.org` is for Riot Android.
|
|
||||||
* `#ios:matrix.org` is for Riot iOS.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Other rooms exist for other clients:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* `#matrix-ircd:matrix.org` for Matrix IRCd, a gateway for IRC clients
|
|
||||||
* Replaced PTO.
|
|
||||||
* `#nachat:matrix.org` for NaChat
|
|
||||||
* `#tensor:matrix.org` for Tensor
|
|
||||||
* `#quaternion:matrix.org` for Quaternion (and libqmatrixclient)
|
|
||||||
* `#weechat:hveem.no` for WeeChat matrix.lua script
|
|
||||||
* matrix.org address: `#weechat:matrix.org`
|
|
||||||
* Not to be confused with `#freenode_#weechat:matrix.org` which is
|
|
||||||
for the WeeChat IRC client itself.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
And while they are not clients, I think they should be mentioned:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* `#e2e:matrix.org` for End-to-end crypto in Matrix
|
|
||||||
* `#megolm:matrix.org` for end-to-end-encryption test
|
|
||||||
* Main address not set, so I am using the matrix.org one.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## Bridges & Integrations
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Room for 3rd party network bridging in general is `#bridges:matrix.org`
|
|
||||||
which is also bridged to
|
|
||||||
[matrix-org/bridging at Gitter](https://gitter.im/matrix-org/bridging).
|
|
||||||
I think some bridges such as Gitter/Slack live there (please correct me if
|
|
||||||
I am wrong!).
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
The bridges I know to have their own rooms are:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* `#irc:matrix.org` for the IRC bridge
|
|
||||||
* [End-user FAQ], bridged to `#matrix-irc` at freenode.
|
|
||||||
* `#twitter:half-shot.uk` for the Twitter bridge
|
|
||||||
* matrix.org alias `#twitter:matrix.org`
|
|
||||||
* `#telematrix:matrix.org` for the Telegram bridge
|
|
||||||
* Doesn't have primary address set, so I take the matrix.org one.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[End-user FAQ]:https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/End-user-FAQ
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
Integrations live at `#neb:matrix.org` which appears to be very little
|
|
||||||
known even to people who have been using Matrix for a long time.
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
## Servers
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
I haven't been following server-side so much as I am afraid of the heavy
|
|
||||||
RAM-requirement, but the rooms I am aware of are:
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* `#synapse:matrix.org` for unofficial Synapse support, but at the time of
|
|
||||||
typing they suggest you to ask questions in `#matrix:matrix.org`.
|
|
||||||
* `#ruma:matrix.org` for Ruma
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
[Source of this page, pull request welcome!](https://github.com/Mikaela/mikaela.github.io/blob/master/_posts/2017-01-03-matrix-getting-support.md)
|
|
||||||
|
|
||||||
* * * * *
|
|
||||||
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