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<h1 id="using-html-in-emails."
<h1 id="using-html-in-emails.">Using HTML in emails.</h1> >Using HTML in emails.</h1
<p>Emails which are written with HTML are annoying.</p> ><p
<h2 id="why-are-they-annoying">Why are they annoying?</h2> >Emails which are written with HTML are annoying.</p
<ol class="incremental" style="list-style-type: decimal"> ><h2 id="why-are-they-annoying"
<li><p>They look bad with some clients with plaintext inlines (at least on <a href="https://mozilla.org/thunderbird/">Icedove and Thunderbird</a>).</p></li> >Why are they annoying?</h2
<li><p>They add empty lines to emails. Have you ever tried looking at source of one?</p></li> ><ol class="incremental" style="list-style-type: decimal"
<li><p>They can include very annoying formatting.</p></li> ><li
</ol> ><p
<p>Do you like reading email which is for example, all in bold, cursive and with some notice attracting colour, like red? And what if it's even written with some very annoying font?</p> >They look bad with some clients with plaintext inlines (at least on <a href="https://mozilla.org/thunderbird/"
<ol class="incremental" start="4" style="list-style-type: decimal"> >Icedove and Thunderbird</a
<li><p>They don't show correctly in some emails clients.</p></li> >).</p
<li><p>At least guidelines of <a href="http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct">Debian mailing lists</a>, <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists">Ubuntu mailing lists</a> and <a href="http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html">Linux Kernel Developer mailing lists</a> forbid writing emails in HTML. Hopefully others do to, at least they should.</p></li> ></li
<li><p>PGP/INLINE signed or encrypted blocks get invalid, when HTML adds spaces to them. This seems to be very popular issue (probably, because K9 mail has interesting default settings of sending HTML and topposting...)</p></li> ><li
</ol> ><p
<h2 id="my-email-client-cannot-write-messages-in-plaintext">My email client cannot write messages in plaintext!</h2> >They add empty lines to emails. Have you ever tried looking at source of one?</p
<p>Are you sure? <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#HowTo_send_plain_text_emails_to_the_list">Debian wiki</a> has instructions how to write plain text with many clients.</p> ></li
<h2 id="but-i-use-webmail-i-cannot-send-plaintext">But I use webmail, I cannot send plaintext!</h2> ><li
<p>Are you sure? <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#HowTo_send_plain_text_emails_to_the_list">Debian wiki, which was mentioned eaerier</a> also includes instructions for many webmails about writing in plaintext.</p> ><p
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>Do you like reading email which is for example, all in bold, cursive and with some notice attracting colour, like red? And what if it's even written with some very annoying font?</p
><ol class="incremental" start="4" style="list-style-type: decimal"
><li
><p
>They don't show correctly in some emails clients.</p
></li
><li
><p
>At least guidelines of <a href="http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct"
>Debian mailing lists</a
>, <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists"
>Ubuntu mailing lists</a
> and <a href="http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html"
>Linux Kernel Developer mailing lists</a
> forbid writing emails in HTML. Hopefully others do to, at least they should.</p
></li
><li
><p
>PGP/INLINE signed or encrypted blocks get invalid, when HTML adds spaces to them. This seems to be very popular issue (probably, because K9 mail has interesting default settings of sending HTML and topposting...)</p
></li
></ol
><h2 id="my-email-client-cannot-write-messages-in-plaintext"
>My email client cannot write messages in plaintext!</h2
><p
>Are you sure? <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#HowTo_send_plain_text_emails_to_the_list"
>Debian wiki</a
> has instructions how to write plain text with many clients.</p
><h2 id="but-i-use-webmail-i-cannot-send-plaintext"
>But I use webmail, I cannot send plaintext!</h2
><p
>Are you sure? <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#HowTo_send_plain_text_emails_to_the_list"
>Debian wiki, which was mentioned eaerier</a
> also includes instructions for many webmails about writing in plaintext.</p
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<meta name="description" content="Insert description here" /> <meta name="keywords" content="Insert,keywords,here" /> <meta name="author" content="Mika Suomalainen" /> <meta charset="UTF-8" /> <link rel="canonical" href="http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/topposting.html"> >Top-posting</h1
<title> ><h2 id="what-is-top-posting"
Top-posting in emails is annoying >What is top-posting?</h2
</title> ><p
</head> >Top posting is replying before the text which you are replying to (and which is usually automatically quoted by your email client).</p
><p
<h1 id="top-posting">Top-posting</h1> >This example from <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#What_is_top-posting_.28and_why_shouldn.27t_I_do_it.29.3F"
<h2 id="what-is-top-posting">What is top-posting?</h2> >Debian wiki</a
<p>Top posting is replying before the text which you are replying to (and which is usually automatically quoted by your email client).</p> > answers to both, this and next question.</p
<p>This example from <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#What_is_top-posting_.28and_why_shouldn.27t_I_do_it.29.3F">Debian wiki</a> answers to both, this and next question.</p> ><pre
<pre><code>A: Because it messes up the way you read ><code
>A: Because it messes up the way you read
Q: Why is top-posting bad? Q: Why is top-posting bad?
A: Writing your answer before the question A: Writing your answer before the question
Q: What is top-posting?</code></pre> Q: What is top-posting?
<h2 id="why-is-it-bad">Why is it bad?</h2> </code
<p>See the answer to the previous question.</p> ></pre
<p>It also makes harder to know what previous poster meant if he/she just said &quot;+1&quot; and other people have used different posting style and senders and replies are messed up. This happens often on Lubuntu mailing lists.</p> ><h2 id="why-is-it-bad"
<h2 id="rules">Rules</h2> >Why is it bad?</h2
<p>At least <a href="http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct">Debian mailing lists</a> and <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists">Ubuntu mailing lists</a> forbid top-posting in their guidelines. In my opinion other mailing lists should do this too.</p> ><p
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</noscript> >It also makes harder to know what previous poster meant if he/she just said &quot;+1&quot; and other people have used different posting style and senders and replies are messed up. This happens often on Lubuntu mailing lists.</p
><h2 id="rules"
>Rules</h2
><p
>At least <a href="http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct"
>Debian mailing lists</a
> and <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists"
>Ubuntu mailing lists</a
> forbid top-posting in their guidelines. In my opinion other mailing lists should do this too.</p
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