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layout: post
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comments: true
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title: "The three days of dramas with Antergos"
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category: [english]
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tags: [english, IRC]
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*I am not emotionless robot and I am able to make mistakes like anyone
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else. I am not a superhuman.*
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## 2016-05-01
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One user starts suggesting to ask support from Arch support channels
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which is simply not OK and they are just causing harm to Antergos from
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Arch side if they do that, no matter how much they edit `lsb_release`. I
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get heated (I suffer from depression/anxiety/AvPD by the way) and kicked
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them with message `first warning`. That was my mistake and it wasn't took
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well and later when the user started commenting them I removed them instead
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of kicking. This later caused long argument on operator channel where TL;DR
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version is that they cannot understand that I am a human instead of
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superhuman or emotionless robot.
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The Antergos-ops part happened when I was at Gaymer's night and made the
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mistake of being available. Thanks to the discussion I couldn't enjoy the
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games, got suicidal, left the event, considered jumping under car or metro,
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but instead asked at PirateIRC/#helsinki if anyone was at the pirate club.
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There were people at the pirate club thanks to demonstration about
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*blackmailing letters* (Google Translated word), so I went there instead.
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Outside I met them and just cried and one of them hugged me and comforted
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me and finally got out of me what had happened. Logs and then it has been
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enough of this day, I guess.
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### Antergos
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<pre class="irclog">
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2016-05-04 08:51:18 +02:00
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[00:09:22] <Tiedemann> wireless?
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[00:24:48] <ringo32> mmmmm
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[00:38:46] <Tiedemann> works on my laptop and a mini-pc, both eth and
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wifi
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[00:39:44] <ringo32> dont know why
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[00:39:52] <ringo32> :/ also i dont like luks :)
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terminated!)
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everyone ^^)
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everyone ^^)
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[06:09:57] <SpacePirate> Wanting to add the Antergos repo to my arch
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/etc/pacman.conf file... but can't find the keyring... I tried going
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here:
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https://forum.antergos.com/topic/1933/is-it-possible-to-add-antergos-repo-to-arch/2
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and the link that's listed there says "404 not found"
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[06:09:58] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/bugKhO] Is it possible to add
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Antergos repo to Arch? | Antergos Community Forum
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[06:10:03] <SpacePirate> Did the package move?
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[06:11:27] <SpacePirate> If it did, where can I find it?
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[06:12:42] <SpacePirate> Oh wait... I think I found it...
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[07:04:59] <SpacePirate> yerp... found it... :3
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Little Pony FTW... WeeChat 1.4)
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[07:34:06] <CountryfiedLinux> good evening
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[08:44:10] <Mikaela> mau
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[08:44:27] <Mikaela> I feel bad for everyone whose children have
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installed Antergos for them https://github.com/Antergos/Cnchi/issues/587
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[08:44:29] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/PE9KdF] Installing Antergos in
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Brazilian Portuguese with LibreOffice opted-in doesn't work · Issue #587
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· Antergos/Cnchi · GitHub
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[12:06:35] <cedra> if I wanted to just move from Antergos to Arch
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completely, would I have to reinstall it or can I really just remove
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[antergos] from the pacman.conf?
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[12:13:05] <ringo32> you are already on arch
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[12:13:08] <ringo32> cedra,
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[12:13:32] <cedra> yeah but like, what's the actual difference
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[12:13:43] <ringo32> what is the differences ?
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[12:13:49] <cedra> except for the packages that it installs
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[12:14:03] <ringo32> antergos is not manjaro
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[12:14:15] <cedra> Never tried manjaro
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[12:14:51] <ringo32> Manjaro using own repo's and its quite suck to
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revert to arch... Antergos is stil arch with a repo of there own but
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most repos are arch
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[12:15:16] <cedra> right so it's just the antergos repo?
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[12:15:18] <ringo32> if arch is up2date antergos also
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[12:15:27] <ringo32> is just antergos repo with there things
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[12:15:32] <ringo32> is quite handy also
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[12:15:51] <cedra> Neat
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[12:16:13] <ringo32> nothing to bother to reinstall or remove something
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dont see a point
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[12:16:15] <ringo32> ;)
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[12:29:07] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> @cedra, reinstall
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[12:29:54] <cedra> why's that
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[12:30:19] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> because that way there won't be
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Antergos presets possibly causing issues.
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[12:33:29] <cedra> hm. are there any common instances in which that has
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happened before?
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[12:34:19] <ringo32> why reinstall :)
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[12:34:30] <ringo32> Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU:
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[12:34:41] <ringo32> what the hell is different then :)
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[12:34:54] <Mikaela> I don't know, but if you ask them support for Arch,
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they will just hate Angergos users more and the topic forbids that. Also
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[12:35:31] <ringo32> 1.4 Arch "Arch Linux" rolling n/a
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[12:35:31] <ringo32> ringo@konoha ~ %
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[12:35:33] <cedra> But what if you change the kernel
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[12:35:43] <cedra> to like, for example, the libre version
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http://mirror.de.leaseweb.net/antergos/antergos/x86_64/
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[12:36:00] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/iEaWNC]
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[12:36:08] <Jeannie> Look what's inside the antergos repo
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[12:36:16] <Jeannie> Everything else is arch
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[12:36:29] <ringo32> but reinstall wont help
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[12:36:31] <Mikaela> ringo32: Antergos identifies as Antergos unless you
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[12:36:35] <ringo32> dont fix if aint broken
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[12:36:43] <ringo32> ironic :p
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[12:36:58] <cedra> I really just have the antergos-welcome package
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[12:37:00] <Mikaela> or something has updated and changed it
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[12:37:01] <ringo32> lsb_release is just a easy edit
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[12:37:15] <Jeannie> My kernel identifies as 4.5.1-1 ARCH
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[12:37:19] <ringo32> switch it off
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[12:37:20] <Mikaela> ringo32: oh, that means you just chaged it, but are
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[12:37:32] <Mikaela> Jeannie: which is just because it comes from Arch
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[12:37:35] <ringo32> antergos is stil arch
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[12:37:51] <ringo32> even antergos is an arch member ?
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[12:37:57] <ringo32> unlike manjaro is not
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[12:38:07] <Jeannie> Yes, and when I look at the antergos repo, I don't
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[12:39:02] <ringo32> What is ...
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[12:39:10] <ringo32> kicked me for ..? fun ?
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[12:39:36] <Mikaela> ringo32: Antergos is not Arch.
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[12:39:46] <Jeannie> Antergos is arch
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[12:39:48] <ringo32> you dont have to kick me,
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[12:39:57] <Jeannie> With a graphical installer and an additional repo
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[12:40:17] <ringo32> Mikaela, who makes the cinnamon packages ?
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[12:41:05] <ringo32> what the mather... antergos does atleast support
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[12:41:19] <Mikaela> Is Linux Mint Ubuntu?
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[12:41:55] <ringo32> i think you set the balance rough
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[12:42:10] <Mikaela> ringo32: Is Linux Mint Ubuntu?
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[12:42:23] <Jeannie> Look at /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist, and tell me which
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[12:42:42] <Mikaela> Jeannie: Is Linux Mint Ubuntu?
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[12:42:45] <ringo32> Mikaela, look at the packager http://ix.io/yQB
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[12:42:45] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/JPKaqO] (not a web page,
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[12:42:53] <Jeannie> I don't care about *buntus
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[12:42:58] <ringo32> Antergos support arch atleast
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[12:43:04] <ringo32> where mint does not support ubuntu
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[12:43:13] <Jeannie> And when I look at my mirrorlist, I see that it
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[12:43:26] <ringo32> Manjaro does not support arch
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[12:43:35] <ringo32> there is the differences
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[12:43:52] <Jeannie> When I run uname -r, I see I run an arch kernel
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[12:44:20] <Jeannie> So If I use archlinux package mirrors nad an
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archlinuix kernel, which OS am I running?
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[12:44:45] <Mikaela> 2016-05-01 12:42:45+0300 < ringo32> Mikaela, look
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at the packager http://ix.io/yQB ==> so? MATE packager is the maintainer
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of Ubuntu MATE last time I checked.
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[12:44:45] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/JPKaqO] (not a web page,
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[12:45:32] <ringo32> Nevermind
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[12:45:49] <Jeannie> MATE 1.14
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[12:45:51] <ringo32> you dont see my point
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[12:46:27] <Jeannie> I whish Wimpress would get his ass in motion and
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update the arch packages intead of messing around with ubuntu mate 16.04
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[12:46:51] <ringo32> its arch-based sure
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[12:47:06] <ringo32> but also i dont see a point to move out to arch
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[12:47:28] <ringo32> you are also direct on the arch repo's
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[12:47:35] <Jeannie> So the fact that the Arch MATE maintainer maintains
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Ubuntu MATE too proves that antergos is not arch?
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[12:48:03] <ringo32> at the end if arch breaks antergos breaks as well
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[12:48:36] <Mikaela> I give up. Don't come crying to me on Arch
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communities hating you for not using Arch.
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[12:48:53] <Mikaela> ringo32: most of times when Antergos breaks nothing
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[12:49:21] <Jeannie> Which ARCH branch are you referring to with these
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[12:49:29] <Mikaela> stable
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[12:50:02] <Jeannie> If I use arch mirror servers in my antergos, arch
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[12:50:15] <Jeannie> ?
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[12:50:47] <Mikaela> If you use Antegos and Antergos breaks, in most of
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cases it has been something from Antergos repo breaking. Nothing happens
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at Arch as it doesn't use Antergos repository as it's not Antergos.
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[12:50:47] <ringo32> Mikaela, just say your are on arch Wtf is so
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[12:51:23] <ringo32> what breaks is webkitgreeter
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[12:51:31] <ringo32> thats the antergos story
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[12:51:45] <ringo32> or the extentions mayby further ?
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user and am here just of kindness. Nothing forces me to be be here or
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help Antergos at all. However if you have installed using Antergos iso,
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you are Antergos user, not vanilla Arch.
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[12:52:04] <ringo32> thinks kernel related is not really antergos
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[12:52:20] <ringo32> i know your point
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[12:52:32] <ringo32> its not vanila arch....
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[12:52:51] <cedra> so if I were to remove the antergos-keyring, it would
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[12:52:51] <ringo32> everything can breaks and such things, is also
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[12:53:15] <Jeannie> If you use a third party repo, aur packages or a
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[12:53:24] <Jeannie> Does thsi make the system not arch anymore?
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[12:53:53] <ringo32> Mikaela, on manjaro i uses 'unstable' repo and
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[12:54:30] <ringo32> sort of breakages or issues can be personal also
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[12:54:41] <Mikaela> I said that I don't care, just go to #archlinux
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[12:54:47] <ringo32> but i dont see a point to remove everything to have
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[12:55:03] <ringo32> i see addiditional repo's as a surplus
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[12:55:19] <ringo32> i got a few atleast
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[12:55:37] <cedra> What was that about some presets or something,
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[12:55:39] <ringo32> but its rude to kick without explain
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[12:56:27] <ringo32> but kicking is rude
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[12:56:35] <ringo32> did i use rude words?
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[12:57:08] <ringo32> is not you have to kick on personal opinion... vs
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(requested by Mikaela (Sorry, I didn't understand you wanted removing
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that is what you really wish. However I would just suggest you to drop
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[13:04:53] <Jeannie> Is the registration for the Antergos forum broken?
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[13:05:14] <Mikaela> not that I know of unless you use PrivacyBadger
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[13:06:04] <Jeannie> Infinite loopback
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[13:06:26] <Mikaela> @karasu0, @lots0logs: are you aware of any forum
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[13:09:28] <Jeannie> Registration/login is not working
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[13:42:24] <cedra> so a ZNC
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[13:43:00] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> * or fix his wired connection *
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[13:43:03] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> no, more line WhatsApp for bigger
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[13:43:04] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> __(wiki Telegram (Software))
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[13:43:06] <Euforia> Not found, or page malformed.
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[13:43:14] <cedra> okay
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[13:43:21] <cedra> Neat
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[13:43:21] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> __luck Telegram
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[13:43:21] <Euforia> luck <an alias, at least 1 argument>
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[13:43:38] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> __(luck Telegram)
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[13:43:39] <Euforia> https://telegram.org/ | Telegram logo. a new era
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[13:44:02] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> bad explanation
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[13:44:23] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> yay
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[13:44:36] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> My stupid mini wifi dongle plan
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[13:44:41] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> I got internet
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[14:16:25] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> my wireless is back and my pi
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internet". Tried resetting with ifconfig, but didn't fix anything
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[15:58:30] <Tiedemann> just reinstalled a Dell optiplex thingy (don't
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worry, got it for free) and got the same problem. networkmanager won't
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[16:16:51] <Tiedemann> eh
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[16:16:59] <Tiedemann> not installed :P
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[16:17:23] <Tiedemann> only the addons
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[16:20:48] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> that explains why it doesn't start :P
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[16:23:40] <Tiedemann> yeah but it worries me why the other packages got
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[16:34:07] <Tiedemann> missing jansson, libndp, libnewt, libpgm,
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[16:40:31] <Tiedemann> working now, installing the packages manually
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[16:55:00] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Hello
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[16:55:45] <Tiedemann> hello
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[17:00:05] <NanoSector> Can't wait for my Moto 360 to come in tomorrow
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[17:00:49] <Teleuforia> <mohandash> (Sticker, 512x344)
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[17:00:49] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/EKTyCT] (not a web page,
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[17:01:12] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Heh
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[17:01:24] <Calinou> hi
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[17:01:29] <Calinou> trying out Antergos KDE in VirtualBox :)
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[17:01:41] <Calinou> found how to make it boot, using iomem=relaxed in
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[17:02:01] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Hi
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[17:02:45] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Yes, vbox is buggy
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[17:02:54] <Calinou> I plan to install Antergos on bare metal later
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[17:03:00] <Calinou> but need Windows somewhere (virtual machine maybe)
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[17:03:16] <Calinou> for running Adobe CC, what would you recommend?
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[17:03:19] <Calinou> which one would be faster
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[17:03:28] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> KVM
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[17:03:47] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> VBox maybe has faster graphics
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[17:04:02] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> KVM excels in nearly everything else
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[17:04:28] <Calinou> yeah I've seen Phoronix benchmarks
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[17:04:59] <Calinou> however there's a small concern, I'll occasionally
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[17:05:04] <Calinou> is that even usable at low resolutions in a VM?
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[17:05:09] <Calinou> nothing very intense
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[17:05:37] <Calinou> both desktop and laptop :)
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[17:11:37] <Calinou> ok :)
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[17:11:50] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Just read the Arch Linux front-page
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[17:11:59] <Calinou> installation in VM is almost complete, I will see
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[17:12:06] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> :)
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[17:12:11] <Calinou> (I almost never used KDE too, but would like to get
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[17:12:17] <Calinou> been an Xfce user for 3.5 years
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[17:12:28] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Everyone's KDE is unique
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[17:12:34] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> So many options
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[17:12:36] <Calinou> are there good themes for it?
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[17:12:41] <Calinou> especially dark ones (partially or fully)
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[17:12:53] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Papirus is nice
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[17:13:13] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> It has a dark variant
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[17:14:23] <Calinou> hmm, looking at Papirus, but I don't see dark
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[17:14:36] <Calinou> I see a GTK theme for it though
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[17:14:49] <Calinou> this?
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[17:14:50] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/6u94Wh]
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[17:15:21] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Yes, that
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[17:17:24] <Calinou> gah, I seem to have encountered a bug in VirtualBox
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[17:17:37] <Calinou> I've set iomem=relaxed in boot options, it boots,
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[17:17:53] <Calinou> nevermind, it works now
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[17:17:57] <Calinou> it was just a bit slow to set up
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[17:17:59] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Welcome to the buggy world of vbox
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[17:18:04] <CountryfiedLinux> good morning
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[17:18:29] <Calinou> KDE 5 is quite pretty
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[17:18:37] <Calinou> compared to say... Debian/Fedora Xfce :D
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[17:18:40] <Calinou> those are so ugly
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[17:19:49] <Calinou> only Xubuntu really looks decent out of the box
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[17:20:47] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Xubuntu looks nice
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[17:20:49] <Calinou> ok, going to install Antergos on desktop maybe :)
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[17:27:14] <Calinou> Antergos can be installed in UEFI+GPT mode, right?
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[17:27:28] <Calinou> do I need to pre-partition my drive using gparted
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[17:29:49] <Tiedemann> you don't need to as it should fix it itself
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[17:30:11] <Tiedemann> you can edit partitions from the installer anyway
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[17:30:18] <Calinou> I'm writing the ISO to an USB stick in GPT/UEFI
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[17:37:37] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> @kerbingamer376, Pi-hole, media
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[17:38:09] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> It's running minibian, and is
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[17:38:24] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> It'd be good as a server for
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[17:38:28] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> but what thing?
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[17:46:05] <Calinou> hi FutureSuture :P
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[17:46:36] <Calinou> kerbingamer376: my brother has a Raspberry Pi 1, he
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[17:46:49] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> same
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[17:47:18] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> and then I got a HAT display
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[17:47:37] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> so I got a pi 2, and my pi 1 is
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[17:47:53] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> that's not minecraft, although
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[17:48:00] <Calinou> open source game servers?
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[17:48:04] <Calinou> Minetest would be too heavy probably
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[17:48:10] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> Wesnoth?
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[17:48:13] <Calinou> Sauerbraten/Red Eclipse/Tesseract should go just
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[17:48:17] <Calinou> they use near zero CPU
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[17:48:21] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> that has an official server
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[17:48:39] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> I was thinking about putting a
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[17:49:08] <Calinou> if you have significant bandwidth, mirror some
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[17:49:12] <Calinou> I don't :(
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[17:49:15] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> and then writing a scope to
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[17:49:15] <Calinou> only 100 KB/s up
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[17:49:22] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> ouch
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[17:49:28] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> mine's 1mb/s
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[17:49:38] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> but limited to 10GB a month
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[17:49:56] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> which I don't have yet
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[17:49:57] <Calinou> mine is unlimited
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[17:50:04] <Calinou> can download at 1.2 MB/s, quite ok
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[17:53:09] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> 150Mbit/15 hwre
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[17:54:11] <Teleuforia> <xikuuky> @Yoshi2889, Isn't that the same as
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[17:54:25] <Calinou> in France you can get 925 Mb/s down, 240 Mb/s up
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[17:54:27] <Calinou> unmetered
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[17:54:35] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> I'm in the UK
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[17:54:44] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> @xikuuky, Where are you getting that
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[17:54:45] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> and I had what I have, but
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[17:54:48] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> NL here
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[17:54:54] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> but the connection was terrible
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[17:55:47] <Teleuforia> <xikuuky> @Yoshi2889, Yeah you're right. I can't
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[17:56:05] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Lol
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[17:56:34] <Teleuforia> <xikuuky> Are group links allowed here?
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[17:56:41] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> I guess
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[17:57:08] <Teleuforia> <xikuuky> Cool
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[17:57:40] <Calinou> how fast is KDE 5 by the way?
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[17:57:45] <Calinou> does it feel smooth on i7s? :P
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[17:57:58] <Calinou> ok, that's what matters
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[17:58:01] <Calinou> I use Atom anyway
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[17:58:08] <Calinou> which isn't speed champion, but it is fast enough
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[18:04:36] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> @xikuuky, depends
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[18:17:24] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> * needs something to use his pi
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[18:23:55] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> minetest, ottd
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[18:24:14] <Teleuforia> <kerbingamer376> ottd is cool
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[18:46:15] <Aria22> How did you get your friends on Telegram?
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[18:53:41] <Calinou> WhatsApp and Skype are evil :)
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[20:56:23] -FatalException- [http://is.gd/96N5eB] Bumblebee for NVIDIA
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[21:26:56] <Calinou> hey, I successfully installed Antergos :D
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[22:22:16] <Jurij> Thank you!
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Antergos. I have used vanilla Arch for a long time possibly even before
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I became Antergos op and I do it because of kindness just like the
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that I am not mentally healthy and that I also have my limits. I wish
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there were multiple people present at all times who could handle the
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[13:03:42] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> @karasu0 @Yoshi2889 @RottNKorpse
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@lots0logs Wyn
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[13:07:14] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> I guess forums are going to have long
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preach against me soon, but whatever
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[18:23:50] <Wyn> @Kissaela You can only do so much against stubborn
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users, don't put that on yourself. But kicking the user is not what you
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should be doing, at all. You are secondly pushing that user to go into
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the Arch channels by kicking this person. If the telegram bot is
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getting "only" negative feedback, what is the feedback you have
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[18:24:02] <Wyn> Should not be doing*.
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[18:24:32] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> I cannot prevent users from doing
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what they wish and as I have said, I am not emotionless machine.
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[18:25:00] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> The feedback I have gotten is that
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Telegram is horribly insecure and Antergos shjouldn't use it and promote
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propietary server software.
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[18:29:39] <Wyn> @Kissaela It does not give you a right the kick
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ringo32. You simply kicked without a discussion, and he's literally one
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of the more positive people on the channel.
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[18:30:21] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> @Kissaela, IRC isnt more secure
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[18:33:41] <NanoSector> Your kick doesn't make sense either
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[18:34:15] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> Do you wish that I leave Antergos or
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what do you want me to do?
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[18:34:28] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> Is everyone else allowed to feel
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aggressive sometimes when they are angry, but not me?
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[18:34:29] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> Why?
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[18:34:35] <NanoSector> I don't want you to do anything
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[18:34:49] <NanoSector> I'm just saying it doesn't make sense
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[18:34:52] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> @Yoshi2889, IRC doesn't store
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conversations anywhere which is safe assumption. Telegram does.
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[18:35:03] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> It does make perfect sense as I was
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angry and I am angry at you now.
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[18:36:31] <NanoSector> Why, because i told you your kick doesn't make
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sense?
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[18:36:56] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> Can someone explain to NanoSector
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that when people are angry they make inreasonable things?
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[18:37:25] <NanoSector> "I am angry at you now"
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[18:37:35] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> yes, because you cannot understand
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[18:37:47] <NanoSector> Yes, i can
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[18:38:55] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Ringo tried having a mature
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[18:39:09] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> You kicked him for that
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[18:39:11] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Why?
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[18:39:50] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Why did you even get angry at him, I
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have the logs in front of me and don't see anything wrong
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[18:40:13] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> No, I kicked him for getting angry
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for them repeating endlessly "Antergos is Arch" and "I can edit
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lsb_release so it says Arch and go to ask Arch for support"
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[18:40:31] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Why did that make you angry?
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[18:40:43] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> because it's stupid and I have told
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them multiple times
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[18:41:06] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> You could simply have said that you
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do not want such things in the channel
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[18:41:25] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> and they would have went directly to
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Arch channels
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[18:41:26] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> That it is against the rules
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[18:42:02] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> I don't think it has been documented
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in the rules and I consider kicks as warning, as more action would have
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been remove
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[18:42:07] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> If he then still wouldn't have shut
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up about it you could've kicked him for ignoring the warning
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[18:42:28] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Kicks aren't warnings, IMO
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[18:42:40] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> they have been since IRC was invented
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[18:43:05] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> In the SMF team I'd have my
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moderation powers suspended for an action like this
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[18:43:17] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> And where is that said?
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[18:43:18] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> bye
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[18:43:29] <Teleuforia> <Kissaela> I am leaving to cry somewhere now and
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if I decide to jump under metro thamk yourself of it
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[18:43:48] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> Stop being such a drama queen
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[18:47:58] <Wyn> reading this is embarrassing more then anything...like
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we already have enough on our plate regarding community activity
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[18:51:32] <Teleuforia> <Yoshi2889> It sure is embarrassing
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[23:22:02] <MichaelTunnell> um ok wow so lets address this.
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[23:22:28] <MichaelTunnell> Mikaela: a kick is not a warning . . . a
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"hey this is a warning, don't do blah", that's a warning.
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[23:22:44] <MichaelTunnell> a kick is "GTFO but you can come back". Ban
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is GTFO forever.
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[23:23:28] <NanoSector> yes, that is how i see kicks as well
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[23:23:48] <MichaelTunnell> Antergos IS Arch technically speaking and if
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someone goes through the effort to try and solve their problem before
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asking in the Arch channels the Arch channels will be fine with helping
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Antergos users. I have discussed this with people in the Arch channels.
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[23:24:28] <MichaelTunnell> the issue is Antergos brands itself as "for
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everyone" which is not true and thus brings in people who won't put any
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real effort in and then asking Arch channels without putting in effort .
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. . that is what they hate.
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[23:24:40] <NanoSector> you do mean that we try to solve their problem
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first, right?
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[23:24:54] <MichaelTunnell> I left helping in the Arch channel because I
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got sick of the Manjaro people yelling at me for not helping with a
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distro I wasn't even using.
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[23:25:06] <MichaelTunnell> NanoSector: that's what I meant to say yes
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[23:25:10] <NanoSector> aight
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[23:25:19] <NanoSector> i didn't know that, but that's cool
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[23:26:31] <MichaelTunnell> so yea the Arch channel does not hate people
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for asking help with Antergos, they hate it when people ask for help
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when they've not attempted to solve it themselves. Arch is all about
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"solve it yourself" first so that is perfectly reasonable stance.
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[23:26:53] <NanoSector> that sounds reasonable indeed
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[23:27:00] <Wyn> MichaelTunnell: also address this with Mikaela:
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<@Teleuforia> <Kissaela> I am leaving to cry somewhere now and if I
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decide to jump under metro thamk yourself of it
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[23:27:18] <NanoSector> yes, that was uncalled for
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[23:27:30] <Wyn> this type of stuff shouldnt be said here at all
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[23:27:33] <MichaelTunnell> kicking people because you disagree with
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Antergos being Arch or not, is absurd and not acceptable. IT is NEVER
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acceptable to kick someone just because of a difference of opinion.
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[23:28:11] <NanoSector> MichaelTunnell, i did try to explain exactly
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that
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[23:28:56] <MichaelTunnell> Mikaela: you are certainly entitled to be
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angry but you have power in this community, power that others do not so
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NO you do NOT have the right to invoke that power just because you are
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angry. If you become angry and want to not continue the conversation
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[23:29:24] <NanoSector> and that is easier said than done
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[23:29:45] <NanoSector> but just count to 10 before replying, it helps
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[23:29:46] <MichaelTunnell> NanoSector: certainly, I agree. I have had
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to stop myself on multiple occasions but the thing is, I always stop
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[23:29:56] <NanoSector> yes, i am guilty of that too
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[23:30:09] <NanoSector> but sometimes i don't stop
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[23:31:15] <MichaelTunnell> Mikaela: in relation to the leaving to cry.
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That is unfortunate and I wish nothing but the best for you. However,
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you made a mistake and that is that. You have to just deal with the
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mistake and try to make up for it.
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[23:31:23] <NanoSector> either way i wasn't trying to pick a fight with
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the convo today or even try to make anyone angry
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[23:31:47] <MichaelTunnell> NanoSector: I know, I'm just responding to
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the parts where I think I should.
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[23:32:23] <NanoSector> yes, that's fine, i'm just outputting my
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[23:32:40] <MichaelTunnell> Telegram does have less security in a very
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very nice sense of having a central server. That's why I want the bot
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renamed to Telegram something so people know it's happening immediately.
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If they want to leave the chat because of it then that is fine.
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[23:33:07] <MichaelTunnell> Telegram was a fantastic idea to be added to
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the channels and it has brought more activity from Antergos team in,
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that by itself is worth it for the channel.
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[23:33:15] <NanoSector> doesn't freenode have central servers as well,
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though?
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[23:33:28] <NanoSector> even though they supposedly don't store messages
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[23:33:43] <MichaelTunnell> NanoSector: I think so but I can't guarantee
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[23:34:07] <NanoSector> either way it's irrelevant, they're both not
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secure as anyone could just join and publish the logs somewhere
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[23:34:17] <MichaelTunnell> NanoSector: agreed
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[23:34:41] <MichaelTunnell> which is why I want it obvious and then
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users can decide to care or not. This way we never have to care. :)
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[23:34:49] <NanoSector> true
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[23:35:04] <Wyn> thats what i said 2+ weeks ago lul
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[23:36:19] <MichaelTunnell> that final thing I will comment on. Mikaela
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appalling and not remotely acceptable. If you do decide to do it, which
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[23:36:39] <MichaelTunnell> yes there are people who are vile assholes
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in some places but that's not us so to say that is offensive to us.
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[23:37:26] <MichaelTunnell> well at least it is offensive to me . . . I
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can't speak for everyone but I'd comfortable with assuming they agree.
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[23:38:39] <NanoSector> i felt bad and kind of angry because i was the
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one being blamed while i didn't intend any harm
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[23:39:36] <NanoSector> so, apologies for my drama queen comment
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[23:40:49] <MichaelTunnell> NanoSector: I understand. I would feel the
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same. I hate to hear people talking about killing themselves. I know
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people who have done it and it is something I'll never truly get over
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but to blame others for that action is appalling to me.
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[23:41:11] <NanoSector> :(
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[23:41:42] <MichaelTunnell> I often try to help those who express such
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comments but I'm not a doctor so I can't truly do anything but listen
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and I always try to be there for people who want me to be but even then
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that's not enough.
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[23:42:46] <MichaelTunnell> I realize that and I couldn't help the
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person who I knew that did it but that does not mean it was my fault or
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anyone else's so that kind of statement infuriates me. In the most,
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understanding and sympathetic way possible.
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[23:42:54] <NanoSector> you're doing your best MichaelTunnell
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[23:43:10] <MichaelTunnell> All problems are temporary problems and
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suicide is a permanent solution to temporary problems.
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[23:44:14] <MichaelTunnell> NanoSector: I like to think so
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## 2016-05-02
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The Antergos drama isn't over and I had therapy session in the beginning
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of this day. However I really didn't want to talk about yesterday, so
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I lied about there being nothing (sorry).
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Afterwards the new drama starts, I am added to Telegram groupchats
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(practically meaning no logs) and if you have read more of my blog than
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just this, you can probably think by yourself why I got upset.
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Group1: Arabic spam where I just reported it as spam and left and changed
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my privacy settings that only my contacts (people who have my number) can
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add me to groups.
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Group2: Here I was added by contact, friend of pre-transition-me whom with
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I have had no contact since then with one exception of when I joined
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Telegram and they got notification of it.
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Anyway, back to the group. Entirely random people where I see my name
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mentioned multiple times and some NSFW material (at family friendly
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group?). I replied to those lines that "yes, they should add me to the
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group if they asked me and I said yes" and "I am not interested in NSFW
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groups" or something like that (there being logs would be easier).
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I left (without reporting the group for spam as people who have your phone
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number for whatever reason just cannot be spammers) and discussed it
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with the person doing the adding and person whom I thought was my friend.
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With person 1, I requested them to not add me to groups without asking me
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first, linked to my blog for explanation and also suggested them to read
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Telegram spam FAQ to understand what people can consider as spam.
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With person 2, I gave screenshots of relevant parts of the discussion with
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person 1, who then went "I don't believe person 3 has done any emotional
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abuse" and went to talk about person 3 about it which when I learned it
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caused me to just block both people after saying person 2 "You don't go
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to rapist telling that their victim has bad experience with them" and if
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you know my temper already, you understand the question I asked also before
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blocking "why do I have to go to absolutes with everyone?".
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I also removed person 2 from my IRC channel which made them go to entirely
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unrelated channel and take the drama there (which has it's own share of
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drama and really doesn't need other dramas) calling me as false-friend and
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telling me to stop playing with their feelings (having feelings is
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apparently a privilege and I am not allowed to have them, they have no idea
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on drama #1 though even if I mentioned it).
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And as I said, this was Telegram and I have no logs, so we can probably
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return to Antergos and the drama number three.
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## 2016-05-03
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> G’Day. After attending the antergos irc support chat for a while, I am
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> wondering what is going on over there.
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> I wonder if it is tolerable that a channel operator who is constantly
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> talking about his/her? off topic sexual transgender
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> problems/frustrations (like having to take medication to suppress sexual
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> desire or getting the testicles removed in the nearer future or
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> everyyone except him/her having sexual intercourse ) in a linux distro
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> support irc group is banning people on the base of personal preferences
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> without any justificable reasons.
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* [Antergos irc forum problems @ Antergos Community Forum](https://forum.antergos.com/topic/4407/antergos-irc-forum-problems/10)
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2016-05-03 08:28:12 +02:00
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Flashback to drama #1, you should by now have a good idea on what
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happened and in case you know me or my blog, you don't need to have
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the facts, but I must probably explain them to new readers.
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First we must probably visit the rules of the IRC channel to know
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> General talk about other topics is allowed if it does not interfere with
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> the main topic of the channel.
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And then to the other things that were said.
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0. You now by now that I am not entirely mentally healthy, but what is not
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said yet is that at nightime I get often worse and can be more talkative
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about transness than on other times.
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1. I have no sexual problems/frustation. I am happy and proud asexual
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which means I don't feel sexual attraction towards anyone. I also don't
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feel "sexual desire" at all and have no idea what is this person talking about.
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2. Yes, I will have orchiectomy which is removal of testicles hopefully in
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near future. Thank you for giving me the excuse to talk about it on my blog
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as I might not go to futher surgeries after that and trans women who only
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get orchiectomy are stealth or not so visible for other reasons and
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I can be as visible as I want on my blog and hopefully help others
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that way. I often get feedback on IRC thanking either of my IRC
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related articles or making them understand LGBT\* issues better etc.
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3. Who was banned? I don't remember banning anyone or doing it by
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personal preferences, but if we were Ubuntu or someone else, you
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would have violated the Code of Conduct and would have good reason
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for banning.
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## Bottom line
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*The best weapon against the lies is the truth.*
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This is what happened from my point of view with feeling suicidal three
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times. I am a human with feelings/emotions, not superhuman or robot
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without them. This means that I also make mistakes and I am sorry for
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them.
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However I again feel better after writing this and I should really write
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more.
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## More about me
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In case you are interested in reading more about me, I suggest
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2016-05-04 08:51:18 +02:00
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* [/about](/about) which is my about page and in the bottom contains
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links to my-life-related posts where this one doesn't belong due to
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happening mostly online.
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* [/irc](/irc) for the previously mentioned IRC posts which also include
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two posts about umode+g which explain why I am unhappy with private
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messages which come without my explicit permission.
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* [/blog](/blog) for the other blog posts I have written about random
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subjects.
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